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Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by quibbler on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:07PM (#23793692)
We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines.

Maybe you could discuss whether classical computers could achieve AGI, but I think overall the quest is to build machines with AGI, not necessarily in the form of classical computers.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by goatlover on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:12PM (#23797167)
> humans are such machines.

Humans are animals. Part of the paper defends the notion that a lot of human intelligence is tacit based on being embodied in the world as a living organism. The idea that humans are biological robots is only one that came about as metaphor when we created machines and some similarities were noted.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by mcguire on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:49PM (#23797489)
Are quadriplegic people "human"?
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by rutherblood on Saturday July 11, 2020 @05:57AM (#23800854)
from what I understand being "embodied" doesn't necessarily imply movement, but I am afraid even I do not understand it fully to say a computer isn't and an animal is.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by quibbler on Saturday July 11, 2020 @12:03PM (#23803154)
What does "embodied in the world as a living organism" even mean? Being embodied as a machine wouldn't be sufficient? Living organisms are "just" machines. I also don't see any reason why embodyment should be a prerequisite for thinking.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by bena on Friday July 10, 2020 @03:57PM (#23795689)
> We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines.

Are we? How do you know this?

Define "general intelligence". Then prove we have it. Then demonstrate that this definition that includes us doesn't include something commonly accepted to not have the same qualities.

Also, if we don't have "general intelligence", what does that mean?

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by hutzlibu on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:25PM (#23793938)
"We know that machines with AGI are possible - humans are such machines."

I believe, it is disputed, whether humans are just machines. But it is mostly a matter of definition, I believe.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by baddox on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:03PM (#23797615)
To claim otherwise is to claim that there is some barrier beyond which scientific inquiry is not allowed to cross or is incapable of crossing. The epistemological status of such a claim is roughly equivalent to explaining something about the Universe by saying "it's because God did it."
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by jqpabc123 on Saturday July 11, 2020 @04:06AM (#23800433)
No. It is not necessarily a claim that it can't be crossed, it is a claim that we currently lack the knowledge and resources needed to cross it.

We haven't figured out how to travel faster than the speed of light. That doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done. But we currently lack the knowledge and resources needed to do it.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by hutzlibu on Saturday July 11, 2020 @05:29AM (#23800743)
Nothing to do with god.

Machine comes from mechanic and there is doubt, that general artificial intelligence can be achieved with a mechanical base.

But if you define any complex systema machine, then yeah sure, we humans are machines. Therefore GAI can be achieved with machines. Tautological proof.