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Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:17AM (#23757547)
I would go the other way with it -- the problem is we don't have a low overhead system for anonymous micropayments, so ads are the only competitive way to offer a service with a very low cost (and thus price) per use.

If there was an easy way to anonymously pay the site the five cents they get from the advertiser without incurring 500% payment processing overhead then would sites even be using advertising?

But then we get to much the same result. What we need isn't new privacy rules, it's to delete the old banking rules that prevent efficient payment systems from operating.

Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by Mirioron on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:36AM (#23757678)
I agree that it would massively help, but I don't think it would solve the entire problem. A lot of my interests online were cultivated as a kid where even a 10 cent charge would've made me click away. I'm sure it wouldn't have been an issue in highly developed countries, but it would've been a limiting factor for me.
Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:47AM (#23757758)
So the model that works best for micropayments in most cases is exponentially decreasing prices over time. When the content is new it costs $1, in two months it costs $.50, in two months more it costs $.25, and so on down to zero, at which point it becomes free proof of the quality of your work to get people to pay for the newer stuff.

You can actually make more money using a pricing model like that, because you get to charge $1 to everyone who will pay $1 (everybody wants everything ASAP), but in a few months you still get the quarter from the guy who would only pay a quarter. And having a large volume of free old works to show the world you can produce good material is how you get new customers.

Which also solves the problem for people without money. (This is, incidentally, how copyright was originally intended to work. Screw you again, Mickey Mouse.)

Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by Mirioron on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @01:06PM (#23761325)
Sure, this pricing model might work, but it'll still turn away people compared to right now. News that happened a few months ago isn't interesting anymore. Most people aren't going to read that. This essentially means that the section of people that can't afford the $1 price tag won't read your articles, unless they're researching some story later.

A lot of what we have online just isn't viable on pricing models like this. The main divide you'll see is likely by country due to wealth differences.

Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by dageshi on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:51AM (#23757789)
It's too late. You can't start to charge for things you used to give away for free. Plus with the internet, there's always an alternative, you just haven't found it yet. So the moment you run into a paywall you will turn around and start searching for the same thing you were just looking for but for free.
Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @07:11AM (#23757941)
> It's too late.

What do you say we try it and find out?

> So the moment you run into a paywall you will turn around and start searching for the same thing you were just looking for but for free.

Because the existing paywalls are some nonsense where you have to give them your home address and sign up to pay a recurring monthly fee which you know is going to be a bear to cancel and costs dollars rather than cents, whereas what it ought to be is a browser plugin that just pays them automatically when you visit the site as long as the amount is below your threshold (with a circuit breaker that requires you to manually approve if you get charged more than like $5 over the course of an hour).

Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by dageshi on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @07:56AM (#23758238)
People have been talking about this idea for maybe 20 years (that I can recall). I'm also pretty sure there've been numerous attempts at implementations because really it's not that complicated a thing to make.

None of them caught on though because when it comes down to it, most sites that successfully make money can probably make more money from advertising than they can from this microtransaction system so there's no incentive for them to adopt it.

Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @05:48PM (#23764480)
None of them caught on because the regulatory environment makes it effectively impossible to implement efficiently and all of the attempts had to make fatal compromises in order to comply which made them useless.
Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by chillfox on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:34AM (#23757655)
The payment processing overhead has nothing to do with rules and everything to do with Mastercard and Visa having decided to not compete on fees.
Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @06:37AM (#23757681)
Then why don't you go into competition with them and undercut them on fees, if the rules make it so easy? Why doesn't anybody?
Re:Only 9% of visitors give GDPR consent to be tracked by anoncake on Tuesday July 07, 2020 @09:19PM (#23766040)
Barriers of entry exist and have nothing to do with rules.