Where Am I? NYTimes or Google?

Re:Where Am I? NYTimes or Google? by IncRnd on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:31AM (#23730135)

Google by definition wants to cover-up the domain name that serves amp web pages. Over half of the article discusses that.

For your question about fastly, I already answered that in the comment you replied. The fastly CDN requires that the DNS is configured to point at fastly servers. Take a look at https://docs.fastly.com/en/guides/sign-up-and-create-your-fi... under "Start serving traffic through Fastly".

  Once you’re ready, all you need to do to complete your service
  setup and start serving traffic through Fastly is set your domain's
  CNAME DNS record to point to Fastly. For more information, see
  the instructions in our Adding CNAME records guide."

A CNAME record is a dns mechanism that aliases an alternate domain for a canonical domain.

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Re:Where Am I? NYTimes or Google? by wmf on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:39AM (#23730166)

Users don't see DNS records. In the old world they click on a nytimes.com link and get something served from a Fastly server, but in the future AMP world they click on nytimes.com and get it served from a Google server. It isn't different.

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Re:Where Am I? NYTimes or Google? by IncRnd on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:10AM (#23730495)

You bring up an interesting point - if AMP hosting is the same as a CDN, then why do companies use both solutions? "Because they appear the same" doesn't mean they are the same.

AMP requires that you consume other Google products, which requires that additional JS is loaded. When your mobile site doesn't use AMP, Google limits SEO rankings your mobile site can have. Google AMP requires your pages meet Google's Content Policies or they won't host them.

AMP and CDN delivered pages are architected differently and Google imposes restrictions and requirements that don't exist in a CDN.

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Re:Where Am I? NYTimes or Google? by simias on Saturday July 04, 2020 @11:44AM (#23733028)

I agree with you, if I understand the signed exchange proposal correctly the trust model is effectively similar (NYT explicitly opts to let Fastly pretend to be them through their DNS config in the same way that a signed exchange would let them explicitly opt into letting Google pretend to be them).

I'm still opposed to the change, I see this centralization of the web through CDNs as a bad thing, I don't want to make it easier.

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Re:Where Am I? NYTimes or Google? by jefftk on Saturday July 04, 2020 @12:50PM (#23733443)

The trust model is pretty different: in the traditional model NYT has to trust their CDN to serve the content unmodified. In the signed exchange model, any modification will cause the content not to validate, and the browser will reject it.

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Re:Where Am I? NYTimes or Google? by rocho on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:15AM (#23730511)

It's very different. And the difference lies in the URL bar. When you use a CDN, your visitors will still see your domain. With Amp, they see google.com.

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Re:Where Am I? NYTimes or Google? by tsimionescu on Saturday July 04, 2020 @02:33AM (#23730575)

That's exactly what Google wants to change, and what Mozilla is opposing.

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