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Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by randomguy2379 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:18AM (#23697994)
Remnants of Hinduism. These incidents do happen, but they are rare and almost non-existent compared to Hinduism. Churches openly hold discussions on how all humans are equal.Also Jesus was born in a poor family, which would have made him a lower caste hindu if he was born in India

If caste is beyond religion in India, then why did Ambedkar leave Hinduism and urge all of his followers to do so.

Can you tell me one other religion which has the concept of caste in religious scriptures?

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by eklavya on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:51AM (#23699346)
> Churches openly hold discussions on how all humans are equal.

That's not exclusive to Christianity. Universal equality is a basic tenet of Hinduism (including non violence towards all living things not just humans). I will not get into a debate of what is "Hinduism". I also don't disagree that some people do face a lot of discrimination. Sadly, the old generation needs to die off for this stuff to be behind us.

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by sbmthakur on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:30AM (#23698401)
> Can you tell me one other religion which has the concept of caste in religious scriptures?

They may not be having caste-based discrimination but they do have other forms of discrimination. That's why you have terms like heathens, heretics and kafirs.

While I agree that Hindus have more of this caste-based discrimination, a simple search shows that it's not exactly uncommon in other religions in India.

https://scroll.in/article/876000/is-the-caste-system-deep-ro...

https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-...

https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2019/sep/01/c...

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by randomguy2379 on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:02AM (#23698590)
Funny you mention heathens, heretics and kafirs. All of these are people who are non-believers in their corresponding religions. Dalits are actually believers in Hinduism. No other religion in the world discriminates against the very people who chose to adopt it, except Hinduism.

I'll reiterate, it's very rare in other religions and uncommon. Mostly remnants of Hinduism. But ask an average muslim or a christian his caste and he will say that he doesn't have one.

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by cscurmudgeon on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:39AM (#23698866)
> But ask an average muslim or a christian his caste and he will say that he doesn't have one.

Aren't there Shia/Sunni divisions and even centuries long wars?

Not exactly castes, but probably worse.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/middle-east/2017/08/sunni...

Also see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_South_Asian...

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by drumhead on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:56AM (#23699382)
It’s the same a catholic and Protestant.
Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by sbmthakur on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @07:49AM (#23700403)
Those terms do mean non-believer but they are also applied to followers with slightly different beliefs. Consider protestants, shias, ahmadiyas etc.

> But ask an average muslim or a christian his caste and he will say that he doesn't have one.

Almost 80% population of India is Hindu. It's obvious that relatively less number of muslims and even less number of christians are gonna talk about caste.

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by dang on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:40AM (#23698460)
Please don't take HN threads further into religious flamewar. If you have corrective information, that's great, but provide it neutrally.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by rgrs on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @04:48AM (#23829800)
Did you even open the link I posted, dont accuse blindly
Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by cscurmudgeon on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @03:29AM (#23698784)
Lots of unchecked rampant generalizing and evidence-free racism from new accounts in this thread towards Hindus and Indians.

So now anecdotes spilling vitriol are allowed?

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by saagarjha on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:08AM (#23699081)
No, they’re never allowed. If you see any feel free to flag it appropriately, although please do try to presume good faith where possible.
Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by dang on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:16AM (#23699131)
Of course not. But what are the posts you're referring to? As far as I can tell, most of the discussion in this thread is by Indians, Indian expats, and people of Indian background, sharing their experiences. But I haven't read the entire thread.
Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by cscurmudgeon on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @02:25PM (#23704731)
How about this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23697939

Replace Hindus/Muslims and Casteism/Terrorism and would you allow this if someone claims they are Muslim.

Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by dang on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @04:48PM (#23706473)
I know there are contentious issues in this thread, with people naturally falling on both sides, and I am too ignorant of Indian society to know what all the lines are. But I don't read that comment the same way that you do. To me it's primarily a report of the commenter's experience as a dalit, and a very interesting report actually. I suppose it includes some phrases that, in a different context, would cross the line and deserve moderation replies, but the context matters a lot. I don't think "anecdotes spilling vitriol" is a fair description.
Re:California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on I... by cscurmudgeon on Friday July 03, 2020 @02:25PM (#23726256)
I totally see your point.

> To me it's primarily a report of the commenter's experience as a dalit, and a very interesting report actually.

The generalization without evidence is the problem. We should not give into false generalizations just because they are "interesting." This is the kind of thing over time leads to things like "All Xs are bad."

My point is that generalizations (false, true) of groups tend to incite emotion that end up dragging things down.

Appreciate the response here and your moderation.