Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by amelius on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:09AM
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How about F1 cars?
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Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by PhantomGremlin on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @10:41PM
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Back in the 1960's and 1970's F1 was pure carnage. Things have gotten a lot better.
Here is a summary of improvements: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/149628/history-of-safety-d...
Here is a quite scary crash that Fernando Alonso walked away from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x45fLUTHCuk
The basic idea is the car is designed to be completely destroyed except for the survival cell for the driver.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by octagonal on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:25AM
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The only safe way to drive an F1 car is with remote control.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by sjwright on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:10PM
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No, you could also safely drive an F1 car from the driver’s seat by limiting your speed to 40 km/h.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by bzbarsky on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @01:25PM
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Maybe. Last I checked, the tires on F1 cars are optimized for traction at actual racing speeds (when they get hot and stickier), which means that at low speeds F1 cars actually have much poorer traction than one might think. Only matters on turns, presumably, and 40km/h might be slow enough that it does not matter, but I'd really want to see some experimental data before deciding on anything that happens so far out of a vehicle's intended-use envelope.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by jodrellblank on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:58PM
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Could you? Here[1] is Richard Hammond driving an F1 car on Top Gear, and he says it can't go slowly, safely - no downforce, no heat in the tyres, no heat in the brakes. If you're coming off a lot of fast laps into the pit lane they will still be warm, if you try to drive it at 40km/h all the way they won't be.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by sjwright on Monday July 06, 2020 @12:17AM
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Hammond is correct, however the term "slowly" in an F1 car would refer to speeds like 60–100 km/h. Note that the pit lane speed limit is generally 100 km/h during a race. I picked 40 km/h as it's a speed which even the hardest rubber tyre would not present difficulty retaining traction even without the aid of any downforce.
And indeed, if my memory of Hammond's experience is anything to go by, the F1 engine may not even be able to handle being driven exclusively at such slow speeds without stalling out.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by occamrazor on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:43PM
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I doubt a normal driver would be able to drive a F1 at any speed. Just keeping it below 40 km/h would be impossible.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by cuu508 on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @02:36PM
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The car itself can limit speed like they already do in pit lanes
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by andrewzah on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:12AM
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Has there ever been a full or partial head-on collision with an f1 car?
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by crottypeter on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:06PM
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Yes, in Abu Dhabi in 2010, Michael Schumacher spun 180 and Vitantonio Liuzzi then hit him head on.
It was at relatively low speed (for F1) but Schumacher's head was very nearly hit as the other car rode over his.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by bryanmgreen on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:31AM
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They’ve been T-Boned in modern times and although not exactly a head on collision with another vehicle, they do crash at high 100+ MPH straight into barriers with very limited injuries.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by sjwright on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @12:18PM
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Colliding with a rigid stationary object is generally just as bad as a head on collision with a similar vehicle. The shortest short hand for why this is so is because each car brings its own momentum and it’s own crumple zone.
Re:How well do cars do in crash tests they're not optimized ...
by Someone on Tuesday June 30, 2020 @11:24AM
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My guess would be one car spinning 180 degrees and another one hitting it must have happened, even with the spinned car at rest and the other one at high speed, but two cars moving at speed in reverse directions? Unlikely.