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Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by 0x8BADF00D on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:13AM (#23640318)
HIV can cause Kaposi’s sarcoma, so that could have caused his cancer. It’s actually not that far outside the realm of possibility. Condom use was not very common in the 70s and one can live with HIV dormant for many years.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by shadowgovt on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:25AM (#23640442)
But the relevant question is "Why should a person's private medical history be public knowledge?"
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by dependenttypes on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:48PM (#23644094)
I would argue that it became public knowledge the moment that the would-be leaker (along with any 3rd parties) learned about it, not the moment that it was leaked.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by stale2002 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:56PM (#23643519)
"Why should a person's private medical history"

Well, it depends on which public person we are talking about.

A random nobody? Yeah, privacy is important for them.

Someone running for president, or someone who is a CEO of one of the most valuable companies in the world? I don't really care much about their privacy, in either circumstance.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by blaser-waffle on Thursday June 25, 2020 @03:44PM (#23644717)
What grave scandal is uncovered by knowing that Jobs had AIDS?

Who will get justice or recompense by knowing that?

What future benefits or change of course will this bring for you, or me, or society?

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about this guy's privacy either -- plus he's dead, so privacy is mostly moot -- but it's hard to see what anyone stands to gain from airing inconsequential medical history.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by 0x8BADF00D on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:28AM (#23640466)
As an officer of a public corporation, how much privacy can one expect? I agree that he had a right to privacy, same as anyone else.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by arcticfox on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:53AM (#23640756)
> I agree that he had a right to privacy, same as anyone else.

Agreed.

> As an officer of a public corporation, how much privacy can one expect?

So we should violate his rights without repercussion? Lost me.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by 0x8BADF00D on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:10AM (#23640939)
As a public figure you cannot have any reasonable expectation of privacy. That’s different from saying what should be done with his private medical records.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by wonderwonder on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:44AM (#23641315)
That makes no sense, he is not a publicly elected official where disclosing health issues is expected. He is a private citizen running a company, the fact that the company is popular and successful should have no bearing at all. Should everyone who starts a company expect to lose all privacy especially health related, or only those that are successful above a set threshold?
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by mcs_ on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:13PM (#23642311)
People must have their privacy, that is for sure.

If I invest something in your company, and you are sick, should I know it?

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by wonderwonder on Thursday June 25, 2020 @05:14PM (#23645774)
Probably not, as if you are a normal everyday investor like me you should not be investing in companies where its success hinges on a single person. I love Tesla but I have not invested in it because Musk could get hit by an electric semi tomorrow and the stock would tank.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by TomMarius on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:39AM (#23641913)
It should definitely be on your list of considerations. It's the sad reality.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by xvedejas on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:31AM (#23641169)
The only reason public figures don't reasonably have that expectation is because so many people are willing to break the law to leak their personal data. That this happens so often is not a valid justification for it happening.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by mmcwilliams on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:15PM (#23642331)
This seems to fly in the face of the prevailing opinions on this site about Scott Alexander of Slate Star Codex having his full name printed in the NYT.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by 0x8BADF00D on Thursday June 25, 2020 @12:25PM (#23642435)
He’s not an officer of a publicly traded corporation, and has no fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. It’s a completely different case from being doxxed.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by mmcwilliams on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:06PM (#23642850)
That wasn't your distinction, though. You used the term "public figure" and I think it's a bit dramatic to say that he was doxxed when he wrote under his full name until 2013, references those writings frequently and used that full name on the blog as recently as last year.

Either public figures deserve a measure of privacy or they don't.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by 0x8BADF00D on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:01PM (#23643582)
> Either public figures deserve a measure of privacy or they don't.

The real answer is that it depends. If a public figure is abusing their position, then yes, it is in the public interest to know about this abuse of power.

Imagine for a second if every politician’s financial history for all of their financial accounts were on an immutable ledger. That is something that is desirable, though it violates those individuals’ privacy. In this case we would say the public interest supersedes their right to privacy.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by mmcwilliams on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:30PM (#23643893)
It seems to be a very fluid standard, for sure, but there are other variables that are brought up in these discussions beyond whether or not a public figure is abusing their position. Who is publishing? How well-liked the public figure is and by who?

If the standard boils down to there being a journalistic interest in publishing relevant information about a public figure in relation to their abuse of power then I'm not sure how possibly-faked medical records pass that test.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by stale2002 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:58PM (#23643547)
> Either public figures deserve a measure of privacy or they don't.

Don't put words in the other person's mouth.

Instead, what people are saying is that if someone has a huge amount of power, then we don't really care about their privacy.

Someone running a blog does not have a huge amount of power.

Someone running a trillion dollar company, or running or president, or whatever, does have a huge amount of power.

Thats the difference.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by mmcwilliams on Thursday June 25, 2020 @02:16PM (#23643737)
Not sure how I was "putting words in the other person's mouth" by making that statement.

I agree that Steve Jobs is more powerful than even an influential blogger, but they are both public figures. Who exactly is allowed to do the calculus about how much private information is appropriate to publish about someone according to their level of power? To me it seems to be a binary: are they a public figure or not.

When it's a breach of journalistic ethics to publish information about a blogger that's provided on or linked to from said blog (I think it is a breach, he made a specific request not to) it's much more egregious to publish an apparently forged health record of a CEO.

At no point do I think that not caring about someone's privacy means it's acceptable to publish false information about them.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by stale2002 on Saturday June 27, 2020 @03:17AM (#23660081)
> To me it seems to be a binary

It doesn't have to be binary. Instead, we can say that the more power someone has, the more it is ok to reveal info about them.

You can pick public figure, but I wouldn't do that.

> Who exactly is allowed to do the calculus

Anyone at all times. That's how society works. Everyone has their own opinions.

I don't agree with your binary opinion though.

> Of a CEO

CEOs have lots of power. They don't need to be protected as much as everyone else in the world.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by stormdennis on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:35AM (#23640543)
HIV wasn't around in the 1970s (in Western countries at least) and also Jobs wasn't in the more at-risk demographics for the disease.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by caymanjim on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:59AM (#23640822)
It very much was around in the 1970s, and you have no idea what his sex life was. But none of this is any of our business.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by stormdennis on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:08AM (#23640917)
Given that the first recognised death from AIDS was in the 80s, I'd dispute your saying that it was very much around in the 70s. I don't know what his sex life was like but as far as we know he wasn't a prostitute, a I.V. drug user or gay, so yeah he wasn't in any of the demographics hardest hit.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by tssva on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:04AM (#23641548)
The AIDS might have been identified by the CDC in 1981 but testing of remains shows that the virus was in the US and killing people well before then.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by 0x8BADF00D on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:41AM (#23640614)
Right, but my point is that those who grew up in that era did not adopt condom use until much later. Old Steve was known to get around a lot.
Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by 83uy2982983r80 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:16AM (#23641679)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_early_HIV/AIDS_cas...

"(...) These specimens are significant not only because they are the oldest specimens of the virus known to cause AIDS, but because they show that the virus already had an extensive amount of genetic diversity in 1960.[10] This suggests the virus had either undergone recombination or been circulating for years or perhaps decades in the Kinshasa population. (...)"

Additionally,

Richard Edwin Graves Jr., a 28-year-old World War II veteran who had been stationed in the Solomon Islands, died on 26 July 1952 in Memphis, Tennessee with pneumocystis pneumonia, CMV and what some authors suggest are a sufficient number of opportunistic infections for a clinical course suggestive of an AIDS diagnosis.[8][9]

Sadayo Fujisawa, a sixty-year-old Japanese-Canadian woman, died in Montreal on 28 June 1945 of pneumocystis pneumonia with Human cytomegalovirus (CMV), diarrhea, and wasting, a group of symptoms which some authors conclude would have led to an automatic diagnosis of AIDS in the early 1980s.[6][7]

The virus was already circulating globally in the early 1900s.

Re:Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment by koheripbal on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:29PM (#23643152)
This evidence is not very compelling.

The genetic diversity might be indicative of widerspread infection in sub-saharan Africa, and then two immuno-comprimised cases, are not specifically indicative of HIV.

...and then this statement has absolutely no basis in evidence: "The virus was already circulating globally in the early 1900s."