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Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:07AM (#23638871)
>I can just hope the Germans learn lessons from this.

N'ah! When it comes to big banks, big industry, big infra projects, German state institutions are super corrupt, it makes Wall Street and the City of London look like saints.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by mschuster91 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:32AM (#23639020)
German here. Big infra projects here rarely fail due to corruption. The way, way bigger issue is that in the last 30 years public service funding was drastically cut which meant that the oversight competence over projects was no longer in house. Overworked officials rubber-stamp utter bullshit because they have neither the knowledge nor the time to properly audit plans. Not just architectural or technical (hello BER fire suction system), but especially financial.

The mandate from the EU is that all kinds of stuff must be offered via tender europe-wide which is for many things a colossal waste of money and enviromental resources (e.g. a Polish company wins a tender for a construction project in Spain and now has to move all the machinery and staff through Europe and back, that's NOT sustainable!), and while government entities are allowed to judge bids by sustainability or profitability (i.e. purposefully offering an unprofitable bid in the hopes of making the profit with exploiting "change requests"), they rarely have the knowledge to do so.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by barrkel on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:12AM (#23639271)
The trouble is that lack of public tender means cosy deals, national champions and less of a free market.

If some costs aren't being priced in, then procedures should be changed to price them appropriately. I'm not sure the answer is to permit cosy deals between politicians and their patron companies, or depriving citizens of the services of best providers in the market.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by raesene9 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:46AM (#23639106)
I'm not sure the City of London can be made to look like saints of financial regulation, given their previous problems with PPI mis-selling, and the disintegration of a number of supposedly "safe, well capitalized" banks in the 2007/8 crash.

Whilst you'd hope that lessons were learned, I'm not sure they were.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by walshemj on Thursday June 25, 2020 @11:04AM (#23641554)
That was the banks and insurance companies.
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:19AM (#23638943)
Comparatively, that's unlikely to be true.

€1.9bn is pocket money compared to Wall St's and the City's more creative frauds.

The UK is currently dealing with a government minister who was involved in questionable planning oversight for a single development scheme worth £1bn - and that's barely even a footnote in the news here.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by joosters on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:08AM (#23639241)
By 'barely even a footnote', you must mean front page news on most newspapers today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-53173316
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:37AM (#23639950)
In a historical context, that's still a footnote.

Especially compared to - say - the suppressed Russia report, or the non-existent disclosure about the true sources of funding for Brexit, or the fact that the government wasted £12m on an app that does nothing, or the sum total of various other Brexit- and Covid-related contracts to various government cronies, donors, and associates, and which appear to have supplied nothing of value to taxpayers.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by benjaminva on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:11AM (#23638895)
Sources?
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:13AM (#23638912)
Wirecard, Dieselgate, BER Airport, German gov wireing the whole country with copper instead of fiber because the ministry of infrastructure had connections to the copper business leaving the country's internet behind Ukraine, all Gov IT projects going to SAP or T-Systems with no accountability, etc.

Nobody went to jail for any of those and in some cases it was never investigated. If you're on the DAX, you're untouchable in Germany.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by H8crilA on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:17AM (#23638930)
You forgot about Deutsche Bank. David Enrich has written a lot about criminal activities going on in there. It is a bank for the "unbanked elites", that is for people that will no longer be accepted by any other financial institution.

That being said - we will certainly see a lot of fraud in other countries too. The fraud cycle follows the business cycle.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by calaphos on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:41AM (#23641284)
Deutsche Bank is not a state institution, neither is it partially or fully owned by a state entity (like Deutsche Bahn or VW). The national bank would be deutsche Bundesbank.
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by Fnoord on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:20AM (#23638944)
Scandals are everywhere, as is corruption. In comparison, Germany is #13 on the Democracy Index [1]. It is right below The Netherlands and Switzerland, the top countries being the Scandinavian ones, plus Anglo-Saxon countries (New Zealand, Canada, Australia).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by riffraff on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:49AM (#23639134)
AFAIU the Democracy Index is based on, essentially, people making up numbers.

The broad classifications are probably alright, but I wouldn't pay much attention to the specific rankings.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by Flockster on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:16AM (#23638928)
Do you have a source for the copper claim? That is entirely new to me.
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:35AM (#23639041)
https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/deutschland-warum-unsere...

[Translated from German] Christian Schwarz-Schilling had been Post Minister under Helmut Kohl since 1982 and launched the German mobile phone network at the end of the 1980s. His political understanding of infrastructure can be seen in a disturbing fact: Until a few hours (!) before he was sworn in as Post Minister - Schwarz-Schilling was involved in a copper cable company. He sold his shares to Nixdorf. The company was then "one of the most important newcomers in the cable business". Contrary to most expert advice, Schwarz-Schilling pushed the extensive investment in copper cable instead of fibre optics during his term of office, in other words: politically, he acted entirely in the interests of the buyer of his shares. In any case, exactly 30 years ago, SPIEGEL called the mobile phone licensing for which Schwarz-Schilling was responsible "a festival of lobbyists".

The fact that nobody got jailed for this obvious corruption is staggering to me and German politicians dare lecture Southern Europe on corruption.

Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by golem14 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @07:28AM (#23639372)
More recently, Germany's insistence to go all in the hydrogen economy has the same flair.
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by mschuster91 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @01:07PM (#23642872)
Hydrogen is a backup plan, and a sensible one at that. Germany doesn't have much in terms of lithium and other precursors for batteries, besides we have an awful lot of old rural non electrified train routes where the cheapest option by far is to go to hydrogen.
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by mschuster91 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:42AM (#23639088)
Holy hell. Thanks for this one.
Re:Wirecard files for insolvency after financial hole laid bare by quassy on Thursday June 25, 2020 @06:27AM (#23638986)
@Fnoord (can't respond to your comment directly weirdly) How can anyone seriously rank Australia and the UK so far high up?