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Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @08:55AM (#23613216)
Really badly, but could be worse.

I am entirely sure that I have moderate-serious depression since the lock down started. I rely entirely on external structure and physical separation of spaces to keep myself sane. So WFH has been disastrous for me.

I have been eating worse, not working out, stopped pursuing hobbies/side projects and have been incredibly unproductive at work. Thankfully, a year of good results prior to this, has helped build a lot of goodwill I can burn through.

For the first time the current social climate has affected me severely too. My parents city is among the worst affected by Covid, and both my 80 yr old grandparents stay there. My anti-tribal-free-speech-absolutist and pro-equality-altruistic self have put me in a moral crisis as the BLM movement has picked up. Then today morning my favorite blog closed because of an attack by cancel-police. My country is on the cusp of actual war. I also spilled my coffee twice in the last 2 days and that makes me irrationally frustrated.

On the bright side, I have no suicidal thoughts. None of my relationships have been destroyed (yet). I still have my job and I know the cause of my current state is temporary. I've started therapy, which should start helping any moment now. Covid has affected people in worse ways, so I'm quietly trudging along.

Worst 3 month period of my life outside the one time I was depressed + alone . Now I am just depressed.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by jaynetics on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:17AM (#23613498)
It never ceases to amaze me how different people are. For me, all effects have been the exact opposite. Less going out, so more cooking and healthier eating. Less tired from open office noise, so more energy for sports. More free time without commute, so I picked up some long forgotten hobbies again.

This means my advice might not apply to you, but if I may still recommend one thing: ignore most of the news for a while. The sensationalism can get infectious. There won't be anything deserving of the name war in your country (the US, I assume).

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by mech422 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:31AM (#23613655)
I actually feel a lil guilty about how well things are going for me. Its not really been any change for me, same schedule - same job. I think the key is as you said, mostly avoiding the news. Every day or two, I skim over the headlines on CNN but mostly I avoid it. I do check the stock market in the mornings - I swear the DJIA is just a yo-yo. But it's just out of curiosity as I still have 15+ years before I can retire...So not stressing about it even on bad days.

I think previously, I was just way too wrapped up in the news cycles.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by shireboy on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:15PM (#23615955)
Agree 100%. I've felt a little guilty too. I started working from home full time about 4 months before covid landed in US. I'd built a nice above garage office. Kids homeschooled already. Planted a garden that's doing well, had more time for home projects, etc. I have friends not doing so well. I have donated to individuals and organizations since I feel I have an obligation to help people in need.

News is the biggest drag on my mental well being. It is important to be informed, but I genuinely feel that media is so driven by ad revenue and has optimized itself into being as negative and outrageous and _loud_ as possible, to the detriment of sane balanced information and opinion. I need to know the sides of current issues, but not loudly 24x7 with as much vitriol on all sides. I blocked several news sites and social media I habitually check in my hosts file, but somehow my browser still resolves the names. I need to fix that.

HackerNews is really one of the few sites I can expect to find calm reasoned discussion and information.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by mech422 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @07:25PM (#23621729)
>I blocked several news sites and social media I habitually check in my hosts file, but somehow my browser still resolves the names. I need to fix that.

DNS over HTTPS maybe ?

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by priyaranjan on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:26PM (#23623688)
For macOS dscacheutil --flushdns
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by remmargorp64 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @06:06PM (#23620972)
Don't forget that you have to explicitly block every host name (including subdomains), if you are using the hosts file method.

For example:

127.0.0.1 reddit.com

127.0.0.1 www.reddit.com

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by tmaly on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:54AM (#23614676)
I have found that avoiding news all together has definitely had a positive impact on my days. This includes social media.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by mech422 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:23AM (#23615118)
HN is about the extent of my social media... I always found the signal-to-noise ratio of facebook, twitter, etc. to be too low to make them worthwhile.

On the other hand, I can spend hours sucked into random tech books, blogs, etc. So I guess time wise it balances out.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by RickJWagner on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:07PM (#23623129)
One thing that might help is more variety in your news-scanning.

CNN will show relentlessly negative headlines until the election is over. Fox will be overly positive. There are other sources on both sides.

For your mental health-- get a variety. You don't have to agree with all of it, but get diverse inputs.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by stunt on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:48AM (#23614600)
Same here. I do daily exercise now since I don't have to waste 3 hours every day commuting. I'm spending more quality time with family. It just feels that I have more time to do more things. I'm also more productive at doing my work for whatever reason.

But, I see anxiety and depression around me and I'm talking about people that didn't had a bad economic or job impact. It's just uncertainty and insecurity that breaks people. I try to support them.

Try to be creative with your time. Take it easier and have fun with your family. Don't stick to social media because it fills your day with negative content and disappointment. And don't waste your time with Youtube and Netflix because deep down you will feel pointless if you do that. And speak up and share your pain with others.

Also remember this is not the end of world. It only has been a few months and the amount of uncertainty, pain, and insecurity that you feel right now is million times less than what people have to deal for many years in some countries with civil war, sanctions, dictatorships. And they are holding up. So don't suddenly feel that you living in the worst time ever. We have everything needed to overcome this.

It's obviously different for different people and it's easy to give advice. I also know people that lost someone which makes it much harder. Don't stay alone and find something that motivates you.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by mathattack on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:33AM (#23615279)
Although it’s easy to give advice, in this case yours is very valuable. I’m trying to follow the work out every day thing too, bringing in my family for it too.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by csunbird on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:45AM (#23613833)
I feel like the traditional office/working culture is built around extroverts and not compatible for introverts, since extroverts value face to face conversations and feel stimulated and prefer the open office and other noises.

This change made introverts more comfortable, because all the other distractions are gone. I feel the same way like you do, I have more time and I was able to improve my daily life.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by take_a_breath on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:07PM (#23615810)
Like anything, the introvert/extrovert dichotomy is actually more like a scale. Few people are entirely on one end or the other.

I can generally prefer personal time and a quiet place to mull my thoughts, but at the same time miss the spontaneous discussion and emotional attachment that an office provides.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by Trasmatta on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:29PM (#23616219)
> ignore most of the news for a while

This has been the number 1 thing that I've started doing recently that has improved my mental health. I've been incredibly depressed and anxious this year, and realized how much of that has been tied to the news cycle. I've mostly ignored the news for about a week now, and I'm feeling much better. I still have an underlying current of anxiety that I need to deal with, but overall I'm feeling better.

Rather than reading the news constantly, I ended up subscribing to the print edition of The Economist, so I'll read that once a week rather than constantly flipping over to Google News every hour.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by thewarrior on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:59AM (#23613994)
I don't think theres that much of a difference. Most of the people who're doing well are staying at home with a partner or family and have a healthy relationship.

I can't imagine anyone in my situation of being cut off from almost all human contact (young+single+alone) for 4 months being "better than ever".

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by csunbird on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:27AM (#23614302)
> I can't imagine anyone in my situation of being cut off from almost all human contact (young+single+alone) for 4 months being "better than ever".

That is me and I feel better than ever.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by codyb on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:26PM (#23617189)
I too was having a pretty decent time, setting up an apartment I’d moved into right before the pandemic hit my city.

Then recently I traveled and stayed with my GF for three weeks, and now she is here for two weeks, and I’m more tired than ever.

After this my parents will want me to visit, but I will be taking some time to myself in between and have asked my girlfriend to go home a week early.

I want to get back into my nice routine of waking up and making coffee and breakfast and working out, and reading before bed, and working on personal projects after work.

I fear, as much as I like her that she may be far less independent than I am. And it’s a bit troubling. But for now I am just looking forward to being on my own again for a while.

I do miss the office though, I had a nice ten minute walking commute although am happy to be less distracted at work.

It’s all ups and downs really.

I hope GP and everyone else adversely affected by this comes out strong on the other side and is able to receive the help they need or overcome the challenges they face. We’ve all got them, but it’s just different magnitudes on different dimensions of an incredibly complex space.

And spilling my coffee twice would give me a conniption! It’s locally roasted organic gosh darn it!

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:23AM (#23614261)
> the US

India :(

(though I stay in the US)

We just had a minor skirmish with China with around 60 deaths total. The messaging from China is very similar to the run-up to the 1962 war.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by jaynetics on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:27PM (#23618117)
The last thing China needs right now is another hit to its GDP, which would be quite substantial if it was subjected to similar international sanctions as Russia was for its actions in Ukraine.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by champagneben on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:18PM (#23615997)
This isn't meant to be a provocative question: What's the messaging from India been like?
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:35PM (#23617327)
India is actually being quite slow in their response. The general feeling seems to be that India doesn't want escalation, but also do not want to be seen as being bullied by China.

The situation right now is being described as 'tense but calm'.

China changed all of the nation's maps to now include an added claim on a new piece of land in Ladakh. China also works very closely with their new proxy Govt (Oli's Nepal). So, at the same time Nepal is also changing their maps and laying claim on new land that they did not previously stake claim to.

So now technically India is occupying Chinese property, and they China been clear in wanting to use force to claim it.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by sbmthakur on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:01PM (#23617728)
They have been claiming Arunachal Pradesh from a long time.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by sbmthakur on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:10PM (#23617880)
We are still in a semi-lockdown and daily cases are still increasing. It's definitely a bad time to go for a war and the government knows that. More efforts are being put into decreasing the nation's reliance on Chinese imports. Previous tresspasses by the PLA were addressed through diplomacy and the results were good. Same approach is being tried now too.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by t0ughcritic on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @01:00AM (#23624278)
India is seen as too soft by us in the West, for good or for worse.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by sbmthakur on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @02:31AM (#23624768)
That's fair. For decades we did not have enough will to retaliate against our adversaries. The result was there were terror attacks in almost every major Indian city. It's only in the last five years that the leadership has shown some resolve to irradiate terrorism. The perception of India being soft will take some time to wear off.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by sbmthakur on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:01PM (#23617717)
There's no forward policy this time and diplomacy is being prioritised from both sides.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by burnte on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:34AM (#23615293)
I think most people in tech are more introverted, but some of us are huge extroverts, and this has been incredibly trying. Clamping down on news coverage has helped a lot in my case, because it feels like I'm in some Black Mirror mass insanity episode!
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:02AM (#23613301)
> I rely entirely on external structure and physical separation of spaces to keep myself sane.

I think this will resonate with a significant subset of the HN crowd. I really thrive on externally-enforced structure (didn't take long to discover I made a terrible entrepreneur, but found a good niche as a startup employee). I've set my life up around having different events and places I need to be: classes at my gym, took up some in-person Spanish lessons, etc. When all those avenues shut down, I found it incredibly difficult to motivate myself to do anything. My physical health has deteriorated as I get much less exercise now, and that has sort of spiraled with my mental well-being. It's been rough.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:16AM (#23614164)
> I've set my life up around having different events and places I need to be

Yes ! This was exactly it.

The 2nd half of 2019 was some of the best time of my life because of this.

It's been quite jarring to see how instantly my mental health deteriorated the second the lock down started.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by raihansaputra on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:24AM (#23614264)
> I really thrive on externally-enforced structure (didn't take long to discover I made a terrible entrepreneur, but found a good niche as a startup employee).

How did you find that out? Really interested whether I fall in the same group. I feel like I agree with you; I haven't been exercising as much because I can't go to a studio/gym to exercise, and the deterioration of both physical health and mental well-being is very apparent now.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:19AM (#23615046)
When I tried my go at doing my own startup with a colleague, I found it incredibly stressful. But a lot of that stress was due to me finding it difficult to prioritize the right things to do, difficulty motivating myself to do the parts I didn't enjoy, and just overall procrastination.

To be honest, I know everyone wants to have a "growth mindset", i.e. the belief that if you're not good at something that you can diligently "face your fears" and overcome it, but at least for me I've come to the conclusion that I'm just constitutionally not cut out to be an entrepreneur. I don't know if it's my genes or my early upbringing or what, but I've tried all the motivation/self-direction/anti-procrastination tricks in the book, and it just doesn't work for me. There was definitely a sense of loss when I came to that conclusion, but I've found that I'm able to thrive when I have an environment with more structure.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by raihansaputra on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @07:24PM (#23621710)
Interesting. Can you share more about your startup adventures? How long do you usually stay and what kinds of teams do you prefer? I had my own stint working at a startup, but having too little skill/experience + the startup chaos made it way too stressful, but looking back it was pretty interesting.

I do agree on your last point. Part willpower, part understanding what works best for each of us. Accepting that we might not be everything that we want to be is hard, but growth is discovering the paths that we can otherwise take.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by FuckButtons on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:08AM (#23614080)
I hear you. I feel the exact same way.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by dgllghr on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:54AM (#23614680)
I identify with a lot of what you say. As someone who is (as you say) "pro-equality-altruistic" but not "anti-tribal-free-speech-absolutist", one thing I want to say is that I don't hate you. I don't even dislike you. I feel like the media and social media are making it feel like we all hate each other for tiny differences in our worldviews. I've come to believe that those spaces are dominated by the most entrenched, vocal, spiteful people. If you care about equality and altruism in your heart, I'm with you. And I bet a lot more people are with you than you think.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by Consultant32452 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:23AM (#23615107)
Anger gives us a spike of dopamine. The people involved in this industry are selling you that dopamine hit. They aren't required to believe anything they say. A large percentage of the people in media were educated at the finest universities on the planet. I think it's silly to believe they're so foolish they can't see that what they are spewing right now is exactly counter to what they were spewing 5 seconds ago.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by bargl on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:07AM (#23614869)
A lot of people want similar outcomes but disagree on how to get there. When you recognize that you and the other person want the same outcome but disagree on HOW to get there it's more annoying than it is anger inducing. I'm not "anti-tribal-free-speech-absolutist", but I get why people want it. By seeing their point of view I can at least say, I see your heart and I get that this is because you want more goodness in the world. Just a long winded way of saying. I agree with this too much online is pushing conflict or blind agreement, and not as much shades of agreement or small disagreements.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by virtue3 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:43AM (#23613796)
Are you me? Seriously hit all the nails on the head for me. Except my country is not yet currently at war. And I used to go out social dancing and that is basically dead until next year most likely.

I ruined two coffees the other day. Put too much peppermint oil in and screwed it up.

And then I let my coffee friend screw with my grinder/machine settings and it got hosed. ugh.

I really recommend getting a workout buddy and making yourselves accountable. It's helping so far.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:11AM (#23614112)
> workout buddy

That's the plan, but I also in the most stressful time of the year in terms of work. So it is kind of hard to build new habits.

> making yourselves accountable

Been trying this. I talk to my brother every morning, who keeps me accountable.

It helps, but still rough.

> I used to go out social dancing

Climbing and soccer were mine. I feel you there.

> I ruined two coffees the other day. Put too much peppermint oil in and screwed it up.

There is something about ruined coffee that hits a person really hard.

Be strong mate. Like all things, this too will pass.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by jidiculous on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:32PM (#23616277)
Hey, quick question about your coffee – why do you add peppermint oil? And how much do you add? I'm always looking to improve my coffee routine or try new things out. Currently I'm on an iced cold-brew trend because the place I'm in has been in a 40+°C heatwave for the last 5ish days.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by virtue3 on Monday June 29, 2020 @04:01PM (#23681981)
I don't have it down yet. I just switched to vanilla to try out. Roomate used to work at BlueBottle. Told me that you really want to stay away from extracts, theyd infuse their own simple syrups with vanilla beans.

I think peppermint oil should work. Would be better if I used peppermint simple syrup I think tho. just more surface area.

Iced coffee might not matter if you're doing a lot of milk tho!

Have you tried making your own overnight cold brews yet?

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by jidiculous on Monday June 29, 2020 @04:16PM (#23682210)
Yeah, I've been making my own! I just have it black, though – no milk or sugar. It's just something nice to sip on in the morning without having to wait for it to cool. I might try adding vanilla or something to it to switch things up a bit.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by TheMerovingian on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:05AM (#23613344)
Anecdotally, cutting my coffee intake to near-zero levels has allowed my anxiety to simmer down. Perhaps this may help in your situation.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by dcolkitt on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:39AM (#23613756)
Contrapoint, research shows that coffee seems to act as a fairly effective antidepressant[1].

[1] https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/000486741560313...

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by pawalt on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:55AM (#23613946)
It can be a good antidepressant, but definitely won't help anxiety. I've recently quit coffee as well and it's done wonders for my anxiety.

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/does-coffee-caffeine-cause-anxie...

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by wahlrus on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:58AM (#23613982)
This abstract says that depression risk decreased by ~8%, but I still think this is an amazing finding.

I also wish I was scientifically literate enough to understand how good the study is :P

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by cyberpip on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @07:54PM (#23622001)
Coffee + L-Theanine = Balance
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by ck425 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:35AM (#23613704)
Out of curiosity did you switch to decaf or just no coffee at all? I could never tell if it was coffee specifically or just caffeine in general which heightened my anxiety.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by cyberdrunk on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:23AM (#23615105)
I switched to decaf, and I have much less anxiety, but also much less energy... It's definitely the caffeine.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by PokemonNoGo on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:07AM (#23614067)
I kinda detoxed on coffe because my activity level went down and I didn't even notice it. Just realised I didn't drink coffee at home anymore...
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by nyxtom on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:32AM (#23613659)
Consider the alternative:

Social/political climates and the "cancel culture" always has something to target. If you look, at any given time, this is something that has been going on since we could communicate in a public sphere. There has always been and always will be a tension in the public conversation. I wouldn't say "cusp of actual war" though. There are many people however who are hoping and actively counting on you thinking that though.

I would argue, however, that all of this has been severely amplified due to social media and the current crisis of the news industries. We have to at least consider who is literally banking on your getting your attention - hijacking the fight-or-flight part of your brain is part of that equation.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:22AM (#23614243)
> cusp of actual war

Yeah But, India and China are quite seriously considering war right now. No joke.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by nl on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:39AM (#23614457)
I'm sure you are aware, but India and China have been had continual skirmishes along the Line of Actual Control[1] since the 1960s.

It's the worst it's been for a while, but there have been pretty major incidents[2] even within the last decade.

It's a serious situation, but not unprecedented.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_of_Actual_Control

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Daulat_Beg_Oldi_incident

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by thewhitetulip on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:58AM (#23614727)
The situation is unprecedented, yes, but war is not going to happen. Physical war, unless you are in crisis states which are fighting among themselves, is very rare. War among nuclear powered nations will also be difficult to ignite.

Despite the bravado of 'an eye for an eye' every politician cares about their future. Modi won't start a war with China and China won't with Modi.

China is already on a backfoot about the Corona situation and Modi is on a backfoot about a LOT of things but the media is bailing him out. I don't think war will be a right thing for both the nations.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by stepbeek on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:35PM (#23617329)
I don't know if it's unprecedented, they were at war less than 60 years ago:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_War

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by thewhitetulip on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @12:40AM (#23624161)
60yrs ago, Nehru was still the Prime Minister. That war was done because of Nehru's disasterous forward policy where he single handedly asled Indian Army to capture Chinese posts because of bad advice from his generals/advisors.

China then waites until US & Russia were busy in Cuban Missile Crisis.

JFK was still alive 60yrs ago!!

JFK had such close a relations with India that Indian PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee had askes his brother "when will a Kennedy become a President once again".

JFK wanted to help India but he was busy in Cuban Missile Crisis. But after that, UK and US started dropping military supplies. And China ended the war single handedly and went back to the status quo.

Things that have changed:

1. We are a highly interconnected economy 2. China is at a backfoot 3. Modi is at a backfoot. (Note that Nehru was facing no such pressures 60yrs ago about corona, self inflicted short sightedness on Economy etc) 4. Nehru and the Congress at that time was not based on total and pointless bravado. The current regime in India is just busy in bravado. China has encroached since May probably and PM Modi spoke a few weeks ago and then, too, he denied any incursion and that lead to China hailing him 5. Neither India nor China will afford a war, leaders will gain from a skirmish. Chinese subservient media will hail it as a Chinese victory, same as Indian media which is super subservient will hail PM as someone who defeated China.

They won't be able to peddle lies if there is a war, for the war will be entirely up in Ladakh. And Russia and US will intervene because both Trump & Putin will need that tag at home of avoiding a war.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by Der_Einzige on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:35AM (#23615321)
They are? That's geopolitical insanity for China. Talk about playing into the interests of your adversary. The USA is ready to eat pop-corn while our adversary (China) kills themselves over an obscure border region with India.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by pjc50 on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:30AM (#23615220)
I would love to agree with you, except the present situation has been the one "media event" of my lifetime where having early warning through social media was materially useful: I stockpiled food before the two weeks or so of supply disruption and empty shelves at the start of the crisis.

I've found twitter to be both an extremely valuable lockdown coping mechanism with friends and replacement events, and an anxiety amplifier.

Materially I'm fine. I'm still getting paid and spending very little. All my travel plans for the year are cancelled and in unknown limbo and I don't know when I can dare to make plans again.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by hckr_news on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:31AM (#23614356)
> My anti-tribal-free-speech-absolutist and pro-equality-altruistic self have put me in a moral crisis as the BLM movement has picked up

What does this mean?

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:05PM (#23617772)
> anti-tribal + free-speech-absolutist

I think that free-speech is a central tenet of modern society and the source of future progress. I am strongly anti-tribal. I do not associate with groups, isms or movements. I like to purely talk issues and like to evaluate ideas for their individual merit and not based on who says them.

> pro-equality = altruistic

Pretty self explanatory. Generally socialist leanings borne from wanting to provide equality of opportunity and measurably fair treatment to all.

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I support most of BLM's policy goals. I believe there needs to be more awareness about racism. I think holding racists and people in power accountable is important. Police reform, removing qualified immunity, mandated cameras and reforming the criminal justice system.

However, I refuse to align myself to the movement itself. Because an agenda-less and leaderless movement can go in any direction any time. A great example is how the Gamer-gate movement took a strong turn away from 'ethical journalism in gaming' to 'racist hatred of women' within the span of six months. Religion is an excellent example of how tribes demand loyalty.

Many of the top thinkers within the BLM movement see violent protests as an inevitable part and many allies endorse violent revolution. I do not yet know if I agree on those matters. I do not want to sign up for buffet of opinions where I have to mandatorily eat every dish. I prefer to have my opinion a-la-carte.

Each of these issues are important but they have a ton of nuance. To find a good solution, we need free speech. We need people with contrary opinions to be able to challenge the protestors and through the friction there will emerge solution.

But, all groups (including ones of my peers) are increasingly moving towards hiveminds of agreement where the In-Group-Contrarian must be destroyed.

There is a reason it has me so rattled. I have yet to truly sort out my opinions on the whole matter at large.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by thewarrior on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:56AM (#23613960)
I feel you. Try not to put too much pressure on yourself. I've been having a lot of ups and downs myself. Not having anyone to talk to I've been almost by myself for four months with occassional walks with a friend. But the sum total of my human face to face contact is about 4-5 hours a month. This is just not enough for most humans.

Plus there is the added stress that if you slip too much you could end up back into a bad job market. The only thing one can do is to find other healthy diversions and keep diet / sleep / exercise on track.

I hope my managers understand and won't judge my performance at this time.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by shpongled on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:04AM (#23614820)
I feel you. This has been such a shitty time just in general around the world, and I've been having a hard time personally as well. During the past month I've been pretty unproductive at work (partially out of my control), we had to put down our dog of 15 years, my grandpa had a stroke, and one my uncles has an extremely aggressive form of cancer. Luckily I'm still in good health, and I don't know anyone with covid-19.

My favorite blog was also shut down this morning by the cancel police (same blog as you). Reach out if you need someone to chat to!

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @02:06PM (#23617810)
Hey mate, you seem to have it a lot rougher than I do.

I would love to chat. Maybe sometime this weekend. I really appreciate your willingness to offer support, when you yourself are in such supply of it.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by kerkeslager on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:26AM (#23614294)
Hey man, I identified with a lot of your post, but I've found some ways to cope with it and I'm actually doing pretty well these days. Feel free to PM me and we can talk.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:52AM (#23614649)
Hey mate, I would really appreciate it. I am a bit busy right now, but I will ping you soon.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by PopeDotNinja on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:22AM (#23614249)
Hey screye, mid-March to mid-June was shit for me, too. Nearly 2 months of not being able to exercise outdoors. Stress eating & drinking. I had multiple meltdowns, some of which bled into my work. I somehow managed to not get fired. In my own way, I'm right there with you. If you need someone to listen w/o judgement, and to tell you "yeah, that does indeed suck", feel free to reach out. I had some people to lean on and it really helped me.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:43PM (#23617445)
Thanks for the offer mate. I really appreciate the general outpour of support within this community.

I am happy to say I have a really supportive group around me, so I do get to vent every once in a while. This week is a bit rough, but I should be able to find time to reach out on the weekend.

Being able to confide in a stranger like this is strangely comforting. If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.

Despite never having met you, one thing about Covid that is absolutely true, is that 'we are in this together'. There is a sense of camaraderie having faced a common challenge.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by divbzero on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @03:22PM (#23618922)
> On the bright side, I have no suicidal thoughts. None of my relationships have been destroyed (yet). I still have my job and I know the cause of my current state is temporary. I've started therapy, which should start helping any moment now. Covid has affected people in worse ways, so I'm quietly trudging along.

All the best! Thanks for sharing and keep on keeping on. We’re all there with you.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by PokemonNoGo on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:40AM (#23613763)
I hear you. I echo your experience to the letter. It got to me so I had 6 weeks of sick leave. On antidepressants for the second time in my life. Never felt so alone. Working from the office these days because I can't imagine sitting home alone again. Went on a weird tinder bender and knocked out 20 dataes over 7 weeks only to be social...
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by hliyan on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:31AM (#23614350)
Possibly a cliche response here, but take heart: the fact that you're a recognized high performer, with a family and is able to afford therapy puts you well ahead of the vast majority of humanity. Hope you'll bounce back soon.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by NicoJuicy on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:23PM (#23617122)
> My country is on the cusp of actual war.

If it means anything ( I hope it does). It's that democracy take a while and wars in Western democratic countries are only a very small probability.

Because people don't want land anymore, as they wanted in the ( for us) distant past.

They want money and trade/work is the best way to get it.

Edit: It's not worldwide applicable. But be hopeful that the right loyalists are a servere minority.

I wish you the best, from Belgium :)

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by screye on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:36PM (#23617346)
Sadly it's not western and the opposition is not democratic.

I am talking about India and China.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by NicoJuicy on Wednesday June 24, 2020 @08:52AM (#23627272)
Ow ok. Sorry for making the wrong assumption, I am a bit informed about the border situation, but not enough.

I hope everything works out.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by Insanity on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:04AM (#23614825)
Strangely the coffee thing struck a chord with me. When I was having a bad time some weeks ago (worries around grandparents and covid) I got really frustrated because on top of that I spilled water on my keyboard.

Like, in the big picture, that's not important at all. But that send me over the edge into complete frustration. Was pretty unproductive afterwards.

I'm sure everything will turn out fine for you though, hang in there!

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by mercer on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:30AM (#23613649)
Is there any option to go to co-working spaces or the like? Some people I know have started doing that and while it's different than pre-covid (strict limits on the number of 'attendees') it's been really nice to see people together again and for them to find some relief from mostly staying at home. it can work wonders!
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by neuroticfish on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:16AM (#23615008)
>Then today morning my favorite blog closed because of an attack by cancel-police.

Isn't this still speculative at this point? Last I read about it (on Reddit) there was no actual evidence that NYT was cooking up a hit piece.

Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by alfor on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @12:22PM (#23616088)
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by TimSchumann on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @10:31AM (#23614354)
Familiar with too much of this. Thanks for sharing, and good on you for seeking help. Hope it works out for yah.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by bigdict on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @09:34AM (#23613691)
Good on you that you went to therapy. On the bright side you are probably learning a lot about yourself.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by mathattack on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @11:20AM (#23615057)
Hang in there. Forgive yourself for challenges coping. It’s hitting all of us.
Re:Ask HN: How are you holding up? by 7ArcticSealz on Tuesday June 23, 2020 @01:35PM (#23617320)
something which might help is sticking to regular meal times, sleep times, and wake times. it will help regulate your system