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Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by jayd16 on Monday June 22, 2020 @03:10AM (#23597934)
Why should we expect anything significantly different than a year iteration on what they already use in the iPad Pro?
Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by duskwuff on Monday June 22, 2020 @03:14AM (#23597946)
A laptop (or desktop!) computer has a significantly higher energy budget than the iPad. The SoC Apple uses in those devices could conceivably be clocked higher and/or have more cores than the A12 parts they're currently using in the iPad Pro.
Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by virtue3 on Monday June 22, 2020 @04:42AM (#23598316)
You can't exactly just shove a turbo on an under-powerd commuter I4 engine (fuel efficient) and expect it to turn out well.

I wouldn't imagine just upping the vcore and the frequency clock will just magically make it faster and compete at the same level as an intel chip.

I'm deeply skeptical as a developer, you -will- get compiler errors, and it's going to suck for a while.

Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by imtringued on Monday June 22, 2020 @08:05AM (#23599285)
Well, it entirely depends on how they designed the chip. If they planned ahead they could design the chip for 4Ghz ahead of schedule and then take advantage of the higher frequency once they decide to actually release a desktop or laptop with an ARM chip. I don't believe that Apple did this so they will either create a new chip exclusively for desktop/laptop or they just keep the low frequency.
Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by agloeregrets on Monday June 22, 2020 @05:37AM (#23598586)
> You can't exactly just shove a turbo on an under-powerd commuter I4 engine (fuel efficient) and expect it to turn out well.

Isn’t this the exact concept of the VAG EA888 motor used in the Audi A4 and extended all the way up to the S3?

That said, the rumored chip is an actively cooled 12 core 5nm part which is more like an RS3 motor with extra cores/ cylinders

Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by msbarnett on Monday June 22, 2020 @03:36AM (#23598026)
Way different thermal envelope? iPads are passively cooled.
Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by imtringued on Monday June 22, 2020 @08:07AM (#23599294)
Isn't that a selling point of ARM? Would you prefer a passively cooled but only slightly slower laptop or a faster laptop with a noisy fan?
Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by slantyyz on Monday June 22, 2020 @09:25AM (#23599890)
I don't think there can be a universally accepted answer to this, as there are so many different user priorities for laptops.

Having said that, I think the top requirement for most laptops is that "it's gotta run what I need it to run on day one".

For a huge amount of light users, ARM Macs are going to satisfy that requirement easily.

Once you move up the food chain to users with more complicated requirements, however, it's less of a slam dunk... for the moment.

Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by jayd16 on Monday June 22, 2020 @03:53AM (#23598108)
This is like saying Qualcomm and Samsung should be able to make top tier desktop chips but the reality is that it doesn't translate so easily.

I guess its all trust that Apple can pull it off and there's no detailed rumors yet?

Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by ulfw on Monday June 22, 2020 @09:54AM (#23600192)
That's because neither does build even a top tier mobile ARM chip. Each of their best offerings is about half as fast as Apple's A12X/Z
Re:ARM Mac Impact on Intel by nojito on Monday June 22, 2020 @07:43AM (#23599149)
Because with the A series they show that they know how to make a good CPU that fits into the thermal restrictions of the chassis.