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Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by vvillena on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:52PM (#23576258)
The death of RSS is the death of the federated web model where users view and consume the content they want to. Modern alternatives like Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram do not serve users in the same way. Users happily consume the content the platform feeds to them, without much say in it. It's an eerie return to the pre-Internet days, where the only choices a consumer had were to change the TV channel / radio dial / newspaper. An illusion of choice in which users are disempowered.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by forgotmypw17 on Friday June 19, 2020 @12:55PM (#23576301)
I think this is only a short-term effect. In response to things becoming more locked down, more and more "info liberation" projects will take root, and in the end the information will just gradually all leak out and end up outside the prison wall, in compatible, accessible formats. Then, eventually, even the sources of the information will switch to publishing it in the libresphere, because at that point the best audiences will be there too.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by jxf on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:06PM (#23576462)
I hope you're right, but this is an extremely optimistic view that does not have much historical precedent.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by gagege on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:32PM (#23576817)
Looking at all of history, I'm very optimistic. Going way back to Cuneiform and the printing press, and the internet itself, they all point to a general principle of the breaking up of monolithic information sources over time. It might take a while, but it'll happen with the internet too.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by neverspecial on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:50PM (#23577014)
What you describe in the digital age will be an illusion of freedom. Delivery of the bits will still be locked down tighter than ever. Delivery allows filtering. The future is very bleak.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by DSingularity on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:38PM (#23576887)
Sad that the internet is now considered a “monolithic information source”. But yay for unicorns I guess.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by d883kd8 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:24PM (#23576722)
It's how things went down with aol
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by golem14 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:07PM (#23576478)
Isn’t the Wikipedia current events portal just that?
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by minikites on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:21PM (#23576670)
Who will do the work to make this so and what is their motivation?
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by forgotmypw17 on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:37PM (#23577534)
I think it will be hackers just like you and me, and our motivation will be making information accessible and the world a better place.

It may seem optimistic, but I'm also optimistic about what our reality "optimizes" for.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by sneak on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:03PM (#23576427)
What death of RSS? There are literally zero blogs I want to follow that don't support it.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by pforret on Monday June 22, 2020 @02:15AM (#23597685)
Most blog software have RSS built in, so that's not where you would see the death of RSS.

These sites don't have RSS (anymore): News publications: Bloomberg, Economist, Forbes, TechRadar ... Communities: Indiehackers, dev.to They switch it off because it allows people to see their content without the advertising, or they forget to implement it. Source: I created https://nuuz.io/tech and it depends on RSS feeds for news.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by fmajid on Saturday June 20, 2020 @08:45AM (#23583639)
Jepsen.io doesn’t seem to have one.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by diffctx99 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:08PM (#23576489)
Hogwash

Email works fine. I am in months long conversations with academics and thinkers around the world.

Signal works fine. Same story as above.

What’s dying is your historical connectivity to specific ideas.

That’s hardly a sign fascism and censorship are settling in.

And really you’re saying it was impossible for anyone to blindly get addicted to an RSS feed, just reading whatever is posted to it?

Good grief. Your brain is experiencing chemical shock over one of thousands of epistemological inventions going away. That’s akin to the dark ages literally returning?

Perhaps your connection to current events is coloring your thoughts here. RSS still exists. History wasn’t sucked into a black hole.

This is what’s deflating about the tech scene. All these weird hills to die on, as if some favored bespoke language that is only 10-12 years old anyway losing popular favor means 1984 is upon us!

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by random3 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:16PM (#23576608)
Email is being replaced by Slack. Maybe RSS / Atom weren't good enough, but what they're being replaced with isn't better either. It's not just about RSS. It's about moving off open standards to closed properties. It's also more effort to integrate different sources as each one has a different API.

Indeed, nor the world nor freedom of information will die here, but that doesn't mean it's a step forward.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by chooseaname on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:19PM (#23576637)
> Email is being replaced by Slack.

Is it? I've never once used Slack. It's not on any of my devices. But email is and it works great.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by RandallBrown on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:51PM (#23577017)
While I obviously still use email, the company I work for doesn't use it. We only use slack (and various other communication tools like Github and Monday).

We use our personal emails to set up the accounts. It's an interesting experiment that seems to be working fine so far. Not sure how it will work as we continue to grow (only about 40 employees right now.)

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by chooseaname on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:58PM (#23577105)
> We use our personal emails to set up the accounts.

I would object to that. Personal and business don't mix.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by random3 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:27PM (#23576754)
Likely, there are people that have never used email either.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by anamexis on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:33PM (#23576830)
Well, there are no people who have used Slack who have never used email, because you need email to sign up for Slack.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by BasicObject on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:27PM (#23576769)
I'm very likely a minority but I only hear about Slack when I'm browsing HN.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by marban on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:36PM (#23576867)
In my case from Bloomberg when the stock takes a hit.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by Dragory on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:45PM (#23576955)
> Email is being replaced by Slack

I don't know about this one. For example, I'm not going to invite every one of our clients to our Slack as a single-channel guest, nor am I going to be joining their Slack workspaces (if any of them even have one - most of them are in the Microsoft ecosystem). I'm also not going to do that with every vendor I'm in contact with, and so on — email is much more convenient. That being said, most of our internal communication within the company is on Slack, but that's a small slice of what emails are used for.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by random3 on Friday June 19, 2020 @07:56PM (#23580164)
I'm not suggesting that it's replacing every use-case for email. But likely 90+% of internal communication within companies that use it. I've experienced this both in my previous large corp (20K+) job as well as my startup (<10).

The main difference is that Slack lacks a unique global id, so you can't add a user in Figma based on it's Slack ID unless you have a Figma / Slack integration. Email still rules for these use-cases - which is exactly why open-standards (such as email, RSS, etc.) are better than proprietary APIs that repeat the same use-cases over and over.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by vvillena on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:12PM (#23577253)
I'd say Slack replaces IRC chats, and, along the way, they transformed a niche tool into one more easily adopted by businesses. Instant messaging tools always cannibalize email conversations.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by iso1631 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:38PM (#23576881)
Microsoft are leveraging their monopoly in the office world to force teams onto the world, rather than things like Slack, Trello, etc.
Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by _Understated_ on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:45PM (#23576968)
>Microsoft are leveraging their monopoly in the office world to force teams onto the world

I'm by no means a MS fanboy but I find your comment odd...

How are they doing this exactly? I'm genuinely curious where you're coming from...

Teams is bundled into O365 but you can use Slack, Mattermost or whatever other product you want.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by iso1631 on Friday June 19, 2020 @02:06PM (#23577209)
Lagre companies are paying for O365 because you have to have office.

Then why should they spend another $100-300/year/user for a tool that on paper does what things like Slack does.

I'd expect zoom to go the same way in the next 12-18 months too.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by jimmaswell on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:11PM (#23576544)
> Users happily consume the content the platform feeds to them, without much say in it.

You get posts from people/pages you subscribe to in your feeds. I don't see how this is true unless you're just talking about Facebook's non-chronological order. Twitter's nothing like that anyway.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by joecot on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:15PM (#23576595)
> I don't see how this is true unless you're just talking about Facebook's non-chronological order.

It's more than just non-chronological. FB buries many link posts. Specific friends can disappear from your feed for months. FB still has the echo chamber issues it had pre 2016 election, just with fact checking notations sometimes. For many people, FB is where they get their world news at this point, and that's a very skewed way to get your news.

Re:Reuters killed their RSS feeds? by Lammy on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:23PM (#23576709)
Twitter has defaulted to a non-chronological feed for a while now. Check your "Show best Tweets first" setting.