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Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by throwaway4666 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:45AM (#23564150)
All of it can be dispensed with if you pay even more
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by iso1631 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:47AM (#23564190)
Indeed, pay me $1m a day and I'll stare at a wall for you.

Probably wouldn't do it for long, the first day would be amazing - that buys a great house. The rest of the week and I'm set for a very comfortable retirement.

Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by nthj on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:51AM (#23564243)
This is part of why stock options are so valuable to organizations as an incentive: the retention power of high pay without the calculus of “do I have enough?” from liquid compensation
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by _jal on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:02PM (#23564389)
Huh? Everyone I've ever known who had significant options knew exactly what they were worth.

I knew someone who changed their bash prompt to (price * unvested count / days left). He said at the time it was the only thing that kept him from quitting or punching his manager.

Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by pjc50 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:25PM (#23564682)
Long ago companies only bothered issuing options when the stock was illiquid; certainly my startup share options never had a meaningful market value from founding to acquisition.

Publicly-quoted companies issuing options is just a weird form of deferred bonus with a favourable tax treatment.

Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by ghaff on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:51PM (#23564985)
Well, they also come with the hope that they'll increase in value prior to vesting. But, yes, RSUs in public companies are certainly more like getting bonuses that vest over time than a stock market lottery ticket.
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by secondcoming on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:27PM (#23564698)
How do they know the price unless the company has IPO'd already?
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by _jal on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:57PM (#23565061)
The particular case I mentioned with the bash prompt happened at Netscape, his tenure straddled the IPO.
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by cdumler on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:51AM (#23564241)
For a few days. My experience is that high pay will A) keep bad people around for much, much longer and B) keep good people around until they get too fed up with the bad people.
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by iso1631 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @01:25PM (#23565354)
I guess that's where high bonus low pay comes into it - if you are a "good person" you get the high bonus so you stay, if you are a "bad person" you don't, so you leave.

The problem then comes down to defining good person vs bad person, which in the real world is very tricky.

Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by delecti on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:28PM (#23564723)
It's still a balance between compensation, interesting challenges, and good work environment. You can provide less of one if you provide more of the others, or less of two if you provide much more of the other.
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by madsbuch on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:49AM (#23564209)
Only for a limited amount of time.
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by exabrial on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:51AM (#23564245)
This is true, but it's a temporary solution. Eventually intellectuals get bored.
Re:How Much Should You Pay Your Engineers to Ensure They Sti... by tennisacademy on Thursday June 18, 2020 @11:47AM (#23564181)
^ this