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Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by bnastic on Thursday June 18, 2020 @06:10AM (#23561628)
> i can guarantee you that there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of stories like that, with people getting shut down for no good reason, and having their business killed

How about Apple telling me they don't like my business bank (a well known UK bank I've been with for 10 years) and simply refusing to set up the account. In a very cold, "go away already", manner. I wasn't going to kill the relationship with my business bank just because Apple told me to, so the app never got onto App Store and I shut down my dev account.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by dijit on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:53AM (#23562187)
All the issues people have with apple can be applied to most corporations.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's abhorrent, but it's something you should think about.

I once tried to open a new bank account with my bank of 10y, and set up direct debit to it. The point was that I was going to pay my rent from that new account (both me and a roommate would pay into the account, and a direct-debit would go to the landlord).

I filed the paperwork, in person, and heard nothing, a week passed, I phoned the bank, they said call back tomorrow.

I did, "please call in a week".

Waited a week, "please call back next week"..

So I go in person to the bank, and I refuse to leave until they fix it- I was being pressured by the landlord, I couldn't take the keys of the new property until proof of direct debit was handed over.

I waited for 5hrs in the lobby, basically from a few minutes after the branch opened until the mid-afternoon. Eventually a teller decided to help me because none of the bank managers were going to look at it.

What was the problem? apparently because I had claimed to have an income on one of the forms they wanted proof. I had never been asked to delclare proof before; and bearing in mind that previously I had never declared any income on any account _and_ I had standing orders/direct debits coming from the account; this was also the account that was where my salary landed, the only account I'd had since I was 13.

I tried to give proof, I showed bank statements and payslips... contracts etc; but because the payslips were on my phone they didn't accept them, I asked if I could use a printer and they said no.

So, I walked across the street to Barclays, opened 3 accounts with my passport and a proof-of-address, set up all my direct debits in 1hr, transferred all my money and that was the end of it.

What pissed me off most was the lack of transparency on exactly /why/ they decided not to move forward, expecting me to just sit on my hands forever is not good.

Fuck you HSBC, that was nearly 10 years ago and I still fucking hate you.

er... my point is that corps can be fickle and you shouldn't trust any of them. Especially the ones that implore you to trust them.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by dnh44 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:41AM (#23562523)
About 10 years ago HSBC got caught helping drug cartels launder money and they got massively fined for it. In the subsequent years they made it really difficult to open an account, but they wouldn't tell people what the hold up was because it's illegal for UK banks to tell customers that they are performing an anti money laundering investigation.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hsbc-probe/hsbc-to-pay-1-...

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by mcv on Thursday June 18, 2020 @10:16AM (#23563307)
> "About 10 years ago HSBC got caught helping drug cartels launder money and they got massively fined for it."

From what I understand, the fine was much less than what they made from that money laundering. People should have gone to prison for it. The fine was only a slap on the wrist.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by dijit on Thursday June 18, 2020 @09:10AM (#23562730)
This explains so much about my experience... Couldn't they have asked me for materials though?

If they had been up front and said "we need payslips in A4 printed format" I would have provided them..

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by dnh44 on Thursday June 18, 2020 @09:21AM (#23562829)
I tried to opened a business at that time and they asked what countries we think we might have customers in. I came up with a list off the top of my head and on that list was a potential customer in Mexico (which has the 15th biggest economy in the world so it shouldn't be that unusual). Anyway we never got anywhere with them and 3 months later they told us they couldn't open the account. I too wish they would have been open about it. It only took 3 days to get an account opened with Barclays across the street.

Ironically HSBC at the time had adverts plastered at airports all over the world bragging at how good they are for international businesses...

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by bnastic on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:13AM (#23562311)
> Especially the ones that implore you to trust them

With long established institutions (like banks) you still have lots of competitors to choose from, and legal recourse if you are wronged. There is no recourse when PayPals, Amazons and Apples of the world decide to scrub you.

In my case it was Apple refusing to work with a bank because they don't have branches, apparently. It's a well known private bank, with a gazillion businesses banking with them, a subsidiary of a rather large multinational bank. For ten years my company has been paid by, and paid out to, numerous entities in the UK and abroad, with no problems. But now Apple comes around, all arrogant as they are, telling me to switch banks because they have enacted a rule that doesn't exist in any laws, just because they can? I am not willing to go down that route.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by dijit on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:40AM (#23562505)
> because they have enacted a rule that doesn't exist in any laws, just because they can?

Which is the same as my example.

Legal recourse for your bank to lock down your account is actually very limited. But I agree that banks are at least more competitive so they're less likely.

If there were two banks (a duo culture, like google/apple in phones) then you can be very sure it would be the same.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by ta17711771 on Friday June 19, 2020 @01:34AM (#23571308)
You built a Progressive Web App (PWA) after that, right?
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by kungato on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:24AM (#23562014)
OT: why do you care which bank you're in?
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by fsflover on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:28AM (#23562030)
Why would you allow Apple to decide which bank you must use?
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by kungato on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:47AM (#23562144)
My bank doesnt support Google Pay so I switched. Life is full of obstacles but we should go around them and not through them. Only person you hurt in your case is yourself. Or you didn't really want to bother with the whole thing anyway so you stopped at the first issue
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by joshuaissac on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:29AM (#23562430)
The person you replied to is not the same one from the original story. And there are many reasons to prefer one bank to another; in the poster's case, switching to an Apple-supported bank might have introduced more obstacles to go through than it would have avoided.
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by rbecker on Thursday June 18, 2020 @09:58AM (#23563145)
> Life is full of obstacles but we should go around them and not through them.

Excellent example of short-term thinking. If everyone followed your advice, Google and Apple would be able to extort any bank in the world, until in addition to their software and ad near-monopolies, they'd also have a banking near-monopoly.

Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by rimliu on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:15AM (#23562322)
Why would you not allow Apple to decide what banks they want to deal with? If some bank has e.g. bad reputation because of some money laundering or terrorist money scandals, why would a business want to be associated with that?
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by gravitas on Thursday June 18, 2020 @07:51AM (#23562172)
As an American (banking system), I carefully choose which banks and credit unions I use based on a multitude of factors. Anecdotally many of my friends and colleagues are the same, the service and benefits (and hassles) vary greatly from one financial institution to another.
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by kungato on Thursday June 18, 2020 @08:02AM (#23562238)
Yeah I guess I'm asking from EU perspective where in 2 countries I haven't really experienced any difference between available banks. I just went with first advice and haven't really noticed something was missing
Re:Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account wi... by 9HZZRfNlpR on Thursday June 18, 2020 @12:53PM (#23565011)
I personally want to do banking with my local bank so the money flows to local economy not to some big American international company. I think this is a very good reason out-of many.