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Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by ReticentVole on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @11:24PM (#23547396)
“You know, I have often thought that at the end of the day, we would have saved more wildlife if we had spent all WWF's money on buying condoms.”

- Sir Peter Scott, Founder, WWF (1909-1989)

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by yyy888sss on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @08:13AM (#23550427)
Turns out it's more about economic development and education - most women who are financially secure don't want to have 10 children.
Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by ReticentVole on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @08:28AM (#23550557)
That doesn't seem to be the case if you look at places like Egypt, where birthrates are not falling despite the country being relatively developed. A lot more of it is cultural and social, and whether people care about their overall impact on the environment.

Besides, we don't really have the time to wait until 2100, when some nations may advance. We need to link foreign aid directly to widespread family planning for African and West Asian countries.

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by riffraff on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @10:09AM (#23551582)
fertility rate in Egypt is 3.2 kids per woman, it was 4.6 in 1990[0]. It may not be falling fast, but it's still falling, or am I missing something?

[0] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/EGY/egypt/fertility-ra...

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Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @09:52AM (#23551359)
>Since religion is caused by poverty and ignorance,

I think it's a little excessive/extremist to summarily categorize billions of people's belief system(s) as "caused by poverty and ignorance".

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by Nasrudith on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @08:13AM (#23550429)
That assumption often fails sadly without social security they want a big family just to ensure they are able to support them in old age or can't exactly expect all of them to survive. A k model does improve quality of life and environmental impact though.
Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by mywacaday on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @09:09AM (#23550895)
Probably been posted a lot before but always worth a watch. https://youtu.be/hVimVzgtD6w The Great Hans Rosling. His book is well worth a read as well.
Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by redis_mlc on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @12:23AM (#23547768)
That's a great quote.

In a lot of countries, you have to be married to even get family planning advice, so that's a hindrance.

The US has its own problems with requiring current prescriptions ($$) for anything, including the pill.

(For non-US readers, a doctor's office visit without insurance is typically $100 in SF, if you can find one with a patient list opening. Plus filling the prescription.)

Refillable natural gas containers would also help reduce deforestation. They're commonly used in SE Asian homes, but should be expanded to areas still cutting down trees for firewood.

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by fragmede on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @01:06AM (#23548013)
That's not entirely accurate. San Francisco, and the rest of California, changed the law in 2016 so that properly trained pharmacists are allowed to prescribe the birth control pill. That training is part of the standard curriculum for new pharmacists, and training is available for pharmacists who got their license before that became part of the curriculum. Anecdotally, I will also say that Planned Parenthood of California is pretty decently funded and are able to offer IUDs (Mirena) and Depoprevera (the shot) at a reasonable price, with and with-out insurance.

This practice is not limited to California, either. Washington DC and nine other states - Colorado, Hawaii, Maryland, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Oregon, Tennessee, Washington, and Utah – allow pharmacists to prescribe birth control.

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/heres-how-to-get-birth-control-w...

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by Roritharr on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @02:37AM (#23548453)
Interesting, what other medications are US Pharmacist's allowed to prescribe? (Your Link won't open outside of the US)

Antibiotics is one of the few reasons I do doctors visits every few years when I have a particularly bad inflammation of something, besides this I rarely get sick enough to need a doctor.

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by redis_mlc on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @02:58AM (#23548578)
That's a big improvement, but there is some fine print per pharmacy:

https://www.cvs.com/content/pharmacy/womens-health/faq

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by lostlogin on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @06:00AM (#23549671)
It gets better, whatever that link gives is inaccessible from outside the US, but notes “CVS.com® is not available to customers or patients who are located outside of the United States or U.S. territories. We apologize for any inconvenience.

For U.S. military personnel permanently assigned or on temporary duty overseas, please call our Customer Service team at 1-800-SHOP CVS (1-800-746-7287) if you need assistance with your order.“

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by maxerickson on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @07:21AM (#23550132)
Which part of that page are you calling fine print?

It does say that the pharmacist has to be there to prescribe the birth control and things like that, but that isn't something I would call fine print.

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by thayne on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @03:43AM (#23548880)
> a doctor's office visit without insurance is typically $100 in SF

Wait, really? That's less than I usually pay with insurance (in the US, on a High-deductible plan).

Re:Fighting poverty accidentally stopped deforestation by unishark on Wednesday June 17, 2020 @06:04AM (#23549687)
You don't need a prescription for condoms anywhere.

There are plenty of free clinics in SF.

All kinds of hormone-based drugs generally require prescriptions. There's exceptions you can find but they only seem to have really weak effects from what I've seen.