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Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by bibabaloo on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @07:41AM (#23537964)
Huh, that's a really nice way of looking at it. I suppose I was thinking that it's my device that I've paid for so there shouldn't have unnecessary restrictions imposed on it. But it's true that I'd prefer a restricted device with a greater game library over an unrestricted device with no games!
Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by smichel17 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:20AM (#23538248)
> If Nintendo can maintain a proper "hack free" device more third parties will be willing to release their games on the Switch

I don't think it's quite as cut-and-dry as this.

- The draw of a "hack free" platform varies by genre. For competitive multiplayer games, it's a big draw. For single-player and creative games, you might find a larger market in less restrictive, more moddable, platforms (eg, if you were making a Minecraft clone, would you target Switch or PC?).

- If the platform is popular enough, the level of lockdown may not affect the calculus that much.

- And, of course, it depends on how successful these measures are at preventing hacks. There's a big difference in draw between 50%, 90%, and 100% hack prevention, because of how the knowledge of cheaters affects player perception. Eg, in a competitive game, knowing cheats exist can taint the experience of being outplayed, as you wonder whether your opponent was cheating.

Overall, I'm not saying that GP's viewpoint is an invalid one, just that the tradeoffs are a little more nuanced than "more lockdown more games".

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by mikepurvis on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:32AM (#23538352)
> if you were making a Minecraft clone, would you target Switch or PC?

This depends a lot on your monetization strategy. If your plan is a free or low-cost game with skins for sale, having a wild west story for modding may not be at all what you want.

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by monadic2 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @02:00PM (#23542073)
Ahh, the drug dealer model.
Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by mikepurvis on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @03:07PM (#23542844)
Well yes. Not at all condoning it, but I mean, this is how Fortnite and friends work.
Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by rusk on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:30AM (#23538331)
> it's my device that I've paid for so there shouldn't have unnecessary restrictions imposed on it

Another way of looking at it is that it’s a platform to which they have licensed you access ... of course under those terms it should be lease rather than outright purchase (eg like a proprietary set top box) but I guess the market hasn’t quite wised up to that yet ...

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by nottorp on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:44AM (#23538455)
It really depends on how much those protections restrict you.

Does buying music online come with unlimited redownloads yet? Or do you still have to make a backup yourself, which is tied to a device and you'll lose anyway?

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by Kaze404 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @10:28AM (#23539502)
That analogy doesn't make much sense. It's more comparable to the iPod than to iTunes.
Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by paulryanrogers on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:22AM (#23538256)
Which holds true until they abandon the platform. Then the homebrew community would take over, if they had access.
Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by paulcole on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:27AM (#23538294)
> it's my device that I've paid for so there shouldn't have unnecessary restrictions imposed on it

In the grand scheme of things, this is a very niche opinion.

How specifically would your use of the Switch change if Nintendo didn’t prevent downgrades in this way?

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by salawat on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:59AM (#23538613)
>In the grand scheme of things, this is a very niche opinion.

Uh, how ya figure?

Oh, do you mean in the, "Well, no consumer would ever actively think of that sense!" Because that's downright wrong, and it has been a longtime complaint of mine since childhood, which my family will be happy to attest to the degree of ear bending that results from these types of shenanigans every single time I discover them. Further, if you think that idea is niche, I'd like to point you toward the right-to-repair movement,as well as the bloody Android ecosystem as well.

The only people to whom what you refer to as a "niche" idea, are a niche into an nd of themselves; namely production companies that wish to infringe on the right of First Sale.

Get with the 21st Century. People are not satisfied with planned obsolescence, and while they'll consume things made in a user hostile way, I'll assure you, once an actor that commits to consumer friendly electronics fabrication gets traction in the space, and shows signs of the ability to collect good talent, people will flock to them.

Don't get me wrong. I like Nintendo, I just hate predatory hardware forging practices.

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by paulcole on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @02:30PM (#23542472)
> Uh, how ya figure?

Because most people don't let this affect purchasing decisions when it's a product they really want.

Right-to-repair advocates are not the norm.

People buy iPads, iPhones, Pexels, Switches, whatever because they want them. If the product is desirable enough people will overlook planned obsolescence and a whole lot more, too.

Android is popular because it is inexpensive not because it's more open.

You really think a "consumer-friendly" electronics company will unseat Nintendo, Apple, etc.?

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by salawat on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @03:53PM (#23543322)
When one comes into existence? You bet. Manufacturing capabilities are much closer to the home than they've ever been before. You had the big actors at the forefront dominating the market for so long because you needed to be cutting edge to survive. Now? Hell, a god blessed RaspberryPi represents near State-of-the-Art performance for a large portion of my childhood needs. In terms of possibilities that can be realized on the cheap, we're at an inflection point where the bigger, faster processor in 6 months costs more than 6 months of figuring out how to use what you've got.

Knowing how to use something is becoming more productive than externalizing that knowledge and letting someone else distill it for you. I see a future driving in the direction of retraction and a pruning of inefficiency to back off of just shoveling more and more into wasteful wank, and getting back to building what you need and taking it from there.

Then again, most of my social circles have been make-do types, so maybe I am in a bubble. I certainly know the more cosmopolitanly inclined infrequently think about things like repurposing or fixing things. I'm praying that'll change and doing everything I can to instill a passion for knowing how thing's work, and caring about how it's made in the next generation, if only because no one ever was interested in being frank with me about all the decisions the market decided to make for me about what parts of my life I should and should not have access to.

I try to get them to pay attention to all the things people don't say, bexause that tends to be at the root of so much of the shit and wrongness in the world we're inhabiting.

Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by bibabaloo on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @08:54AM (#23538543)
I'd be free to choose the version of software to run on it. If they were to, for example, put out a release that broke compatibility with a niche game that I enjoyed, I could downgrade and continue to play that game. But, honestly, it's more about the principle.
Re:How the Nintendo Switch prevents downgrades by irreparabl... by paulcole on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @09:55PM (#23546838)
Has a release of Switch software ever broken compatibility with an already released Switch game?