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Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by ttul on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:04AM (#23463815)
In truth, Apple already bought a search engine when they acquired Topsy. The engineers from Topsy now work on the search tech that powers all sorts of things at Apple.

That being said, DDG would be interesting as an acquisition for Apple because it would be consistent with Apple’s privacy-first approach to service design.

Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by m463 on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:08AM (#23463831)
But apple isn't that privacy-first. They're better than microsoft, but they play both sides of the equation.

For example, they allow web blocking. But only opt-out web blocking.

Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by matt-attack on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:07AM (#23463826)
But isn’t DDG just proxying search requests to Bing?
Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by cirno on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:20AM (#23463885)
Pretty much. They claim there's multiple sources, but the results are strikingly similar. And on image search, identical.
Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by stormdennis on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:41AM (#23464001)
If that's all DDG are doing it would be simple for Apple to replicate, no? Do Bing charge for this? If not could they legally enforce such charges? What aren't there more DDGs around?
Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by ma2rten on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @02:11AM (#23464163)
Yes, Bing has an API which they charge for.
Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by cottsak on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:29AM (#23463925)
I don't mind if it's a proxy. I value my privacy more than whether DDG is maintaining its own entire search stack.
Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by armitron on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @01:50AM (#23464051)
You value your privacy but blindly trust DuckDuckGo?

They say they store all your searches in their privacy policy (but "not in a personally identifiable way" they claim). They also say they effectively rewrite your search results to insert affiliate tracking.

Even if their entire stack was opensource and you had strong visibility and guarantees regarding the code they're actually running in production, adversaries could be exploiting DuckDuckGo and recording all the information you send to them "in a personally identifiable way". So, basically, don't trust DuckDuckGo. They're yet another for-profit middleman (maybe parasitic, maybe not, we don't know) that, through its centralized information accumulation, enables the sort of behavior you claim you want to avoid.

Re:Apple Should Buy a Search Engine, Analyst Says by mondoshawan on Tuesday June 09, 2020 @02:11AM (#23464162)
Suggestions for alternatives? Feels like we're all stuck between a rock and a hard place these days.