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Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by lostlogin on Thursday May 28, 2020 @11:31AM (#23338472)
> When I switched to DDG, I was happier with it than with Google.

I regularly do !g, but I think the thing that is reducing that fastest is the declining quality of Google results. If I search for ‘x, y and z’, I then see a load of results with small text underneath saying ‘include z?’. It drives me demented, why wouldn’t I want to include my search terms?

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by JTon on Thursday May 28, 2020 @11:48AM (#23338667)
> It drives me demented, why wouldn’t I want to include my search terms?

Well, I think the answer to your question is Google is trying to be friendly to the layman. It's not hard to think of examples where the user inputs a something into the search box that a CS major knows will not result in the implied wants of the user. Google tries to do a lot of human to machine translation work, and I think you're seeing the result of it. That being said, you can use quotations to explicitly include terms.

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by finiteloops on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:04PM (#23339682)
This works for the masses, but in my experience when machines force a use case, it causes more headache than not cause I'm not like the masses.

A barely related side rant: my microwave decided it wants to error out when it thinks you're trying to microwave air. i have a bowl in there. stop telling me to open the door to put something in. Whatever engineer at GE thought they would be smarter than the user, you're one of the many reasons your company is going out of business.

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by TuringTest on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @03:00AM (#23388417)
I think that it's O.K. when a user interface which issues a warning when it detects a dangerous condition.

The problem is when the warning is a "stop" and it doesn't have an override "I know what I'm doing".

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by mywittyname on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:33PM (#23342964)
We have the same microwave.

I also hate that "feature".

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by SAI_Peregrinus on Thursday May 28, 2020 @02:57PM (#23340992)
Google no longer fully respects quotations. It will still attempt to "correct" the quoted text, and may ignore some terms from it.
Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by yjftsjthsd-h on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:28PM (#23339189)
> I regularly do !g, but I think the thing that is reducing that fastest is the declining quality of Google results

I don't know how I feel about it, but I feel like this has happened in multiple places now: The dominant option is losing ground to competitors, not because they got better, but because the dominant option got worse. I've similarly argued that the Linux Desktop is now at least as good as Windows (and possibly MacOS), not because our UIs suddenly got more friendly (although they have improved), but because Microsoft shipped the Windows 8 ("who needs the start menu?") and 10 ("we'll merge the old and new control panels any day^wyear^wdecade now") interfaces, so the bar is so much lower. I don't know that this is progress, but it's great if you want FOSS to win. Likewise, it sucks that Google is getting worse, but hey, at least now there's less reason not to use DDG...

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by ravenstine on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:54PM (#23339539)
Not to delegitemize your use of `!g`, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who never needs to use that, and if that's true, I think we need to hear more from the people who are perfectly happy with DDG by itself.

Who else here doesn't use !g?

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by acheron on Thursday May 28, 2020 @03:50PM (#23341735)
Same. I've been using DDG regularly since.. I don't know, 2013 maybe. (iOS 8 added DDG as a choice for a default search engine; that was at the end of 2014, and I had already been using DDG for quite awhile when that happened.)

It's been a long time since I used !g for anything. I did for awhile as an alternate search, but eventually it stopped being helpful -- if I didn't find any good results in DDG, then the Google results didn't help either. At this point it's probably been a couple years since I did a !g for anything.

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by SAI_Peregrinus on Thursday May 28, 2020 @02:59PM (#23341014)
I'm sure I used it once when I was trying out the bang commands. After that, I don't think I have. It just hasn't been necessary to find what I need.
Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by mywittyname on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:31PM (#23342941)
Probably 3/4s of the time that I use !g on DDG, it's because I need location to be a component of my search. Like trying to find a plumber.

If DDG has an flag to use location info for search relevance, I'd do that instead.

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by ravenstine on Thursday May 28, 2020 @12:54PM (#23339545)
If you regularly use !g, then why don't you just use Google? Serious question. It seems like if you are resorting to Google enough, there's almost no point for you to be using DDG.
Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by gxqoz on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:01PM (#23339640)
I'd say I need to use it for less than 5% of queries. And often those 5% aren't solved by Google either because they're just hard to search for stuff or my original query wasn't good enough.

I do regularly use other Google search services, though. In particular, Google Books.

Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by ravenstine on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:24PM (#23339952)
Google Books is still pretty decent, although I wish they still were scanning old books. I think they discontinued that.
Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by lostlogin on Thursday May 28, 2020 @01:59PM (#23340319)
Regularly yes, but it’s a small portion of my searches. Google as a company is something I want to avoid.
Re:What is the business model for DuckDuckGo? (2017) by Forbo on Thursday May 28, 2020 @04:57PM (#23342513)
I like to use !s instead so it will leverage Startpage as a proxy for Google searches. Same results, but at least I can try to hide in a crowd.