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Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by gambiting on Thursday May 28, 2020 @04:24AM (#23334848)
I don't know where you are in the EU but UK refurbishers constantly sell post-lease desktops and laptops on ebay for around £50, shipping to any EU country is usually £10-20 on top of that, if anything.

Like this kind of stuff: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Lenovo-Intel-i3-Dual-Core-i5-Q...

Is plentiful and easy to buy, again - ships anywhere in the EU.

As for the power consumption - I have to disagree again, I have an SFF like this and in idle it uses about 10W of power, 40W under load.

Rpi4 4GB uses 1-3W in idle, and up to 15W under full load. Yes, the numbers for the Pi are lower, but I wouldn't say "it's not even close". It's close enough that I would absolutely consider getting the larger PC instead.

Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by dijit on Thursday May 28, 2020 @04:33AM (#23334903)
UK is generally an outlier when it comes to the second hand market for some reason.

Our used cars go for peanuts compared to used cars in the mainland for example.

I am often trawling the UK ebay for tech stuff because it's so much cheaper than Blocket (a craigslist-like) here in Sweden.

PS: very very pedantically and technically, UK isn't an EU member any longer. Although there is some limbo period.

Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by Zenst on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:36AM (#23335301)
> Our used cars go for peanuts compared to used cars in the mainland for example.

I was somewhat intrigued by the use of the term mainland, but it certainly has some debate behind it: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/3652/how-to-refe...

Yes second hand cars in the UK are cheaper, factors being that there has been a consumer rise for a while, seeing more second hand cars. This with the island effect makes for dispersal of those second hand goods more curtailed and for example you may be able to get cheaper cars in Germany second hand if the geography curtailed those easily shifting to nearby countries who have had less of a consumer drive.

Which is why my friend in Bulgaria will buy a second hand car in the UK, drive it back, sell it for twice what he paid for it. Then in Bulgaria Walnut wood is about 1/5th of the price of what it demands in the UK. But most opportunities in life are going the extra mile.

Yes UK is still technically an EU member during the transition period. How exporting/importing of cars pans out, well as long as the we don't end up with trade loop-holes - then I'll be happy and by that. Say EU has import tax of 30% on UK cars, new or second hand. Yet no such taxes for imports from say canada. Then the UK has no tax import on cars from UK to canada, so would be possible to export to Europe, via Canada to skirt such import taxes. That kinda thing worries me as environmentally, not good. But could happen.

All I do know though is that the current trade negotiations seem like a Monty Python playbook:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK0cUv3ba-o

Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by gambiting on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:00AM (#23335493)
Well, the obvious issue you're missing here is the fact that the steering wheel is on the right/wrong(heh) side, hugely limiting the potential for exporting your second hand cars elsewhere. Even then, I do know about a few successful businesses, where people have been exporting cars from UK to Poland, moving the steering wheel to the other side, and yet still making money in the process, the value of second hand cars is so much greater there(in the UK a car that is 6+ years old is basically ancient, in Poland that's still considered "nearly new").
Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by Zenst on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:22AM (#23335623)
+1 Your right, that was a glaring oversight and does also play a big factor.
Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by smichel17 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:44AM (#23335781)
I love that HN's culture is one where people can gracefully admit that they were wrong, and that's that (no further dogpiling to call them out on the earlier error).
Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by rasz on Thursday May 28, 2020 @06:25AM (#23335640)
>Our used cars go for peanuts

something to do with steering wheel being on wrong site making them useless to all of EU other than for parts.

Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by dijit on Thursday May 28, 2020 @10:14AM (#23337484)
Well, it was an example, but our technology such as laptops seems to sell cheaper second hand, same with articles of clothing or furniture.

I believe it stems from a tradition of not disposing of things, and instead selling them on (via "car boot" sales) or handing them down. I believe (and this is pure conjecture) that it's a recent thing for brits to dispose of things with such frivolity, and this is somewhat echoed in the car-boot sales of late being chock-full of brand new mostly chinese cheap crap.

And maybe if you have an overabundance of second-hand goods then maybe the price goes down as all of the friction to sell even things considered "tat" are gone.

And most of the things we would consider "tat" are not "tat" to everyone else, for instance, I bought my first computers for 5gbp from a boot-sale, for such a token amount of money it is likely a person would not have sold it another way. Thus, I get a cheaper computer than I would have had to pay otherwise.

Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by tonyedgecombe on Thursday May 28, 2020 @07:13AM (#23335957)
In the UK, cars gradually migrate to the north of the country as they age.
Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by ChuckNorris89 on Thursday May 28, 2020 @04:38AM (#23334921)
I'm in Austria and second hand systems with an i7/i5, 8Gb RAM and an SSD go for around/over $200 not $85.

For $85 I can only find core2duo/quad 4gb RAM and spinning rust so there's no way that is a viable alternative for a RPi.

Maybe UK is an outlier or Austria is, I don't know.

Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by GenericsMotors on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:00AM (#23335050)
Similar issue in my country (Portugal). On our largest second-hand market (OLX.pt) the laptops in the 60-80 EUR range are pretty much all described as "for parts", and their specs are not comparable to this RPi model.

The snide comments like the GP's are due to them living in the american bubble.

EDIT: also note the comment you're replying to is using a traditional workstation "slab" as an example. I'd rather use a small RPi that frees up more desk space than buy something that will make my work environment at home even more cramped!

Re:8GB Raspberry Pi 4 on sale now at $75 by read_if_gay_ on Thursday May 28, 2020 @05:37AM (#23335307)
> second hand systems with an i7/i5, 8Gb RAM and an SSD go for around/over $200 not $85.

Are you looking for broken screens? If not, $200 sounds reasonable enough to me.