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Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by fsflover on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:02AM (#23270365)
I wonder why organic farming is so popular. Wikipedia says:

1. "Researchers at Oxford University analyzed 71 peer-reviewed studies and observed that organic products are sometimes worse for the environment."

2. "According to a 2012 meta-analysis of 71 studies, nitrogen leaching, nitrous oxide emissions, ammonia emissions, eutrophication potential and acidification potential were higher for organic products"

3. "The Oxford meta-analysis of 71 studies found that organic farming requires 84% more land for an equivalent amount of harvest"

4. "there is insufficient evidence to make claims that organic food is safer or healthier than conventional food"

The list goes on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_farming

Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by Scarblac on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:26AM (#23270511)
A problem is that insecticides and artificial fertilizer (two main things not allowed in organic farming) cause ecological problems in the region where the farm is located, even if organic farming would need more farm land in total and would thus destroy nature elsewhere.

Many crops are better grown in greenhouses, where pests can be kept out or controlled without pesticides, and plants can be grown in stone wool and given exactly the nutrients they need. That should count as organic, but unfortunately doesn't.

Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by docgonzo on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:34AM (#23270975)
Organic farming uses pesticides as well. Are they safe for the environment? We don't know because they're organic and therefore must be safe. See links within: https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/organic-pestic...
Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by ClumsyPilot on Friday May 22, 2020 @09:54AM (#23272068)
Organic farming enjoys huge brand loyalty while doing little to address farming practices that actually matter. We have an EU-wide scheme of farm subsidies called CAP, which has been slowly reformed into a system of monitoring farming practices and only paying subsidies to the farmers that are following them.

They take images from satellites and measure sizes of fields, width of hedgerows, identify the type of crop that's being grown and determine if the farmer is following crop rotation guidelines, etc. Farmers only get subsidies if they follow the guidelines. This is done to limit soil erosion and protect the environment.

Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by TomMarius on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:06AM (#23270394)
Because of counter corporate propaganda. Anything organic is done by a small, local, friendly, nature and animals respecting farmer, right?
Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by Scarblac on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:16AM (#23270448)
And that's also much of the problem with it.

Small farms don't have the capital for the most environmentally friendly technology. Locally is not necessarily the best place for food production. That the farmer respects nature and animals is a bit beside the point for solving the problem of global food production in a sustainable way.

Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by OneGuy123 on Friday May 22, 2020 @08:49AM (#23271456)
Imagine believing that man-made pesticides which are neurotoxic for humans and kill the required animals (worms,...) and poison plants themselves are better than organic farming.

Pesticides start a downward spiral because the soil quality gets worse and worse. So the plants are less and less nutritious. No amount of artificial fertilizer can replace the delicate balance of nature. Beliving you can outsmart a complex system such as nature with just by adding some additional fertilizer clearly demonstrates a severe lack of understanding that nature requires a complicated cycle THAT JUST WORKS BY ITSELF if you don't mess with it.

Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by ClumsyPilot on Friday May 22, 2020 @09:47AM (#23272004)
Imagine thinking 'natural = good', and not realising that we'd all starve to death without artificial fertiliser.

Imagine not realising that organic farming involves using herbicides, etc. and there are are plenty of natural ones more deadly than their artificial counterparts. The subject of herbicides, fungicides and insecticides is actually a massive, complicated topic. There are some artificial ones totally harmless to humans. Natural doesn't mean anything. You want some all-natural tapeworms? Better not take any man-made substances to treat them.

What does 'JUST WORKS BY ITSELF' even mean? It doesn't work to feed us, has no regard for human survival, or survival of any anything for that matter. Something like 98% of all species that have even lived are extinct.

Fertiliser and pesticide has little effect on soil quality per se, unless grossly misused. Primary issues of soil quality are overfarming, erosion, crop rotation, cover crop/ leaving fields bare, etc.

Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by Proven on Friday May 22, 2020 @06:44AM (#23270635)
You're analyzing completely wrong data, that's why.

Look at the parasitic NGOs, their industry backers and corrupt government officials backing that nonsense and you may find an answer.

Re:EU plans to plant 3B trees and expand organic farming by fsflover on Friday May 22, 2020 @07:34AM (#23270973)
Any particular links to the NGOs?