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Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by kgersen on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:37AM (#23246637)
port scanning is fine and should not be illegal. It's just "looking" at a house to see if there is a door and what type of key (protocol) it uses.

Trying to open a connection on the other hand it's like trying to open the door. That should be considered as a violation.

Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by jerf on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:48AM (#23246722)
Don't try to understand this with metaphors. It's a trap. Port scanning isn't enough like anything in the real world for the analogies to apply.

I'd strengthen pfundstein's claim; port scanning intrinsically works by trying to open connections. That isn't enough "like" any particular physical thing to make it a correct analogy; it isn't knocking, or walking in, or opening, or anything else. But one thing we can say, without using analogies, is that it is definitely an active effort, an action deliberately taken, not something passive like "looking" is in the real world. That is not on its own proof that it is wrong... I am merely saying, it is certainly active, not passive.

Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:54AM (#23246777)
I think your final objection fails by bad analogy too: one has to _actively_ direct ones gaze, in general, if one is to notice a type of lock or other security arrangements.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by jerf on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @10:46AM (#23247454)
I'm not analogizing to "actively looking"; I am saying, it is an active action. You can tell it's active because if they don't make deliberate decisions to write code that performs this scan, no scan will happen. They have had meetings about this functionality, and implemented it, and tested it, and management has signed off on it, and in a place like eBay quite likely their legal department has signed off on it. It is an action they have taken, with deliberation and intention; it is not a thing that just suddenly started happening to them one day, like, Firefox shipping a new browser that has a new default font or something.

I'm referring to the literal, probably-hundreds-of-person-hours actions taken to create this functionality. This is relevant to both ethical and legal analyses. No analogy.

Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by koheripbal on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:55AM (#23246789)
Yeah, I'm not saying it should be illegal, but it's hard to see a use-case for scanning on a remote network that isn't malicious or security related.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by pfundstein on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:40AM (#23246649)
Most port scanning works by 'Trying to open a connection'. I'm not sure where you're saying the line is, but it's very fuzzy.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:51AM (#23246746)
That's called "casing a joint" ...

I think it comes under the Criminal Attempts Act 1981. But it might come down to whether you gather information, if you test a port, intending later - if successful - to attempt an exploit, then that seems like it could be unlawful (under the Law of England & Wales). Keeping a record of ports found with services could be sufficient to demonstrate intent.

[Just to be clear, I'm not endorsing/condemning the law here.]

Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by ozim on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:55AM (#23246797)
It is not fine. Just like burglars looking at a house is not fine (still nothing to do with being legal or not). Intent defines if something is OK or not. Just like killing is always illegal but when you do it to save someone else it is hmm less bad, you see intent...

What are the intents of people doing scan? I don't see any legitimate reason for scanning random people computers or servers that are not yours.

Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by corentin88 on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:47AM (#23246710)
Imagine you start to look at houses in your neighborhood « to see if there is a door and what type of key it uses ».

That sounds pretty suspicious to me. At least you need the consent of the house’s owner.

Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:58AM (#23246823)
Do you need consent of the owner?

You might be doing a legitimate survey (as part of a locksmith business, say)?

Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by kchr on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:31PM (#23248835)
Suspicious != Illegal.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by woadwarrior01 on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:45AM (#23246686)
Port scanning from an external host is fine and dandy, but doing it on localhost from the user's browser crosses the line, IMO.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by crankylinuxuser on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @10:15AM (#23247003)
Then why did your "user agent" permit it? Seems rather anti-user.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by megous on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @11:12AM (#23247824)
I use uMatrix, and only thanks to that I realized my bank is doing this too a long time ago.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by kchr on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @12:32PM (#23248841)
Regardless, your user agent still tries to.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by underdeserver on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:52AM (#23246760)
Doing it from the browser is like trying to open the door from the inside. It's crappy behavior.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by bencollier49 on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @10:05AM (#23246897)
It's a bit like being invited to someone's house, and then going through the drawers in their bedroom while they're in the toilet.
Re:Why Is This Website Port Scanning Me? by enedil on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @09:49AM (#23246723)
In this case, it's asking a clueless kid that lives in this house to try to open the selected door, and you guess whether the door was open or closed by the time after he returns.