Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data
by nightfly on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:58PM
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Headlines used to include the most important information, and the text for a link for the article would be the headline or something similarly descriptive. Nowadays links to articles often explicitly exclude information forcing you to the article to even see what it's about.
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data
by wpietri on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:35PM
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If the title is written in a way that withholds key information when it could just as well be included, I'm willing to call that clickbait. A headline alone shouldn't make me want to read the article. From my perspective, the headline's job is to let me know whether the contents are valuable enough to me that I want to read the article.
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data
by ramblenode on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:51PM
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> "Clickbait" used to mean "Ten Reasons Clickbait isn't what it used to be... Number 8 will surprise you"!
I think the definition has expanded at the same time that the clickthrough/SEO/likes/dopamine optimization has become embraced by editors, who write the headlines. To me, clickbait is more about substance than style. It's an attentional lure into an article with disappointing substance, to varying extents. Various editors will stylize the headline for the sweet tooth of their demographic.
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data
by notatoad on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:08PM
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>writers do not even have access to read metrics
do the writers get to write the headlines though? i thought that was the editor's job, who surely does have access to the metrics.
Re:New York Times phasing out all 3rd-party advertising data
by mc32 on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @01:54PM
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Clickbait and linkbait were new SEO tools in the late aughts.
Before the advent of this, most headlines tried to be relevant though with occasional good puns and pizazz.
But mostly The Enquirer and the Daily News were outliers and made fun of for their routine exaggerations.
Nowadays, people seem to complain about any headline that in any way has the potential to make people want to read the article.
From my anecdotal experience with editors at better publications (such as the NYT), they care far less about individual articles' metrics than people seem to believe.
At many of these publications, writers do not even have access to read metrics. (Bloomberg is the example I'm sure of, but there are others)