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Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by simonw on Sunday May 17, 2020 @12:48PM (#23213206)
The single worst offense against the usability of Atom/RSS right now comes from Apple and iOS.

If you click a link to an Atom feed in Mobile Safari, iOS will launch the Apple News app. Which will then show you an error message saying the content is unavailable.

As far as I can tell there is no way for an installed reader app to take over handling of feed URLs. It just makes the entire feed ecosystem look broken for anyone using an iPhone or iPad.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by znpy on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:00PM (#23213286)
I wonder if the EU could, in theory, take action about this behavior.

Apple is basically monopolizing the whole market for rss readers.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by tolle on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:15PM (#23213418)
How many EU countries are Apple News available in?
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by tpush on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:58PM (#23213768)
After UK exits, none.

Apple News is available in a whopping 4 countries, 4 years after its introduction.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by tolle on Sunday May 17, 2020 @07:02PM (#23216340)
Yeah so the EU can't do much about it.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by benhurmarcel on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:24PM (#23213499)
Only the UK.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by jedberg on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:32PM (#23213556)
The UK is not part of the EU anymore.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by tifadg1 on Sunday May 17, 2020 @02:22PM (#23213990)
Thats neither factually nor theoretically correct, as all the EU laws apply until the transition period has expired, which I wouldn't be surprised will be extended given corona has taken so much focus and time away from it.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by jedberg on Sunday May 17, 2020 @02:26PM (#23214027)
Officially they are no longer part of the EU. They have agreed to abide by the rules of the EU for now, and the EU has agreed to allow them to trade as though they were part of the EU, but they officially left on Jan 31.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by ethbro on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:13PM (#23214996)
Duck typing says they're currently a member.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by Closi on Sunday May 17, 2020 @03:17PM (#23214514)
It's both factually and theoretically correct - the UK has left the EU, but laws are extended until the transition period is over.

Note the absence of the UK in the below sources:

https://www.gov.uk/eu-eea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_state_of_the_European_U...

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by naniwaduni on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:16PM (#23215021)
It is theoretically correct. The factuality is the point under dispute...
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by Closi on Monday May 18, 2020 @04:25AM (#23219804)
What's your definition of 'in the EU' and 'fact'?

If a nation state doesn't recognise itself being in the EU, and the EU doesn't recognise the nation state being in the EU, It's not in the EU.

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en#28mem...

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by SllX on Sunday May 17, 2020 @08:04PM (#23216750)
Well maybe there’s one way to resolve this dispute?

Did the UK MEPs serve their last day already?

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by znpy on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:23PM (#23213492)
All of them, I guess?
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by pzumk on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:42PM (#23213632)
Apple News is not available in Germany. The only thing we get is the non-customisable News-Widget.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by znpy on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:49PM (#23213695)
Well it might not be available as a service but apple might be handling the RSS URLs anyway.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by tpush on Sunday May 17, 2020 @01:54PM (#23213744)
Which is really awful. Always showing tabloid nonsense that you can't get rid of.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by nojito on Sunday May 17, 2020 @02:28PM (#23214053)
>Apple is basically monopolizing the whole market for rss readers.

You can't be a monopoly with such a small userbase.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by dna_polymerase on Sunday May 17, 2020 @02:39PM (#23214163)
Of course, you can. The company is the monopoly not the userbase.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by nojito on Monday May 18, 2020 @01:12PM (#23225246)
No you literally can't..one of the legal tests is market share.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by dna_polymerase on Wednesday May 20, 2020 @10:32AM (#23247253)
Oh so, you meant Apple's userbase not the entirety of RSS users?
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by SalimoS on Sunday May 17, 2020 @02:03PM (#23213822)
i don't know about you how you use your iOS device if you do but after installing an RSS reader (NetNewsWire is an excellent open source app) you can share the webpage/website/blog using the share menu and it will be added to your RSS reader
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by pedro2 on Sunday May 17, 2020 @03:47PM (#23214775)
I dislike a lot Feedly, almost like Inoreader and kinda like bazqux.

Not sure why though.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by EddieLomax on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:43PM (#23215274)
I used bazqux for a while and paid for the annual subscription. It just ended and I was looking around for free alternatives, and found CommaFeed, which reminds me a lot of Google Reader.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by hopesthoughts on Wednesday May 27, 2020 @07:26PM (#23331440)
I really do like CommaFeed, but they seem to limit the amount of feed items.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by lildata on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:54AM (#23219563)
CommaFeed is great ! thanks for sharing this
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by mawise on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:54PM (#23215387)
Inoreader (at least their paid version) supports private rss feeds--that is feeds with HTTP Basic Auth headers for non-public content. Private blogs and private RSS are a space where monetizing your content just isn't important. This is where people can write personal, vulnerable things to share with friends and family without creating a burden of "now I need to visit 50 different friends' websites"
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by gsich on Sunday May 17, 2020 @03:32PM (#23214632)
Stop using Apple products. Stop developing for Apple products. Stop treating Apple like they matter.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by yawn on Sunday May 17, 2020 @03:42PM (#23214724)
Your other choice without lots of friction is Google, an advertising company. I hate that this is the world we live in.
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by gsich on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:04PM (#23214917)
At least with Android (not Google) I have a choice on what software I install.

Besides that you can still use a desktop PC. Most people do anyway.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by SXX on Sunday May 17, 2020 @04:23PM (#23215094)
> At least with Android (not Google) I have a choice on what software I install.

I'm have very negative outlook on Apple with their vendor lock-in and walled garden, but how long do you think Google will let you make this choice if they gonna have no competition at all?

Google was slowly making Android less and less open with every release. Now "security" features like SafetyNet decide whatever you're allowed to use software or not.

Think on it! Just look at what Google doing with web because of their monopoly on search and browser markets.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by tristan957 on Monday May 18, 2020 @03:42PM (#23227419)
F-Droid exists as an alternative app store or you can distribute APKs. Also running Android from a vendor is a horrible experience. I recommend installing LineageOS or any other alternative ROM.

Google might have a monopoly on the web, but at least they have given us tools to work around it, unlike Apple.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by zymhan on Sunday May 17, 2020 @10:49PM (#23217759)
> I have a choice on what software I install

No you don't. Much of the software preinstalled on an Android device is permanent. And you can try stripping out Google Play Services, but good luck having a "smart" phone.

Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by gsich on Monday May 18, 2020 @02:56AM (#23219182)
Those services are not whats making a smartphone "smart".
Re:It’s Time to Get Back to RSS by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday May 17, 2020 @11:35PM (#23218045)
> Stop using Apple products.

Sure.

> Stop developing for Apple products. Stop treating Apple like they matter.

The market, as it actually exists, disagrees (especially in terms of profit, as opposed to number of devices). I understand hating Apple, but if I write software for profit, I care about where the customers/money are and Apple absolutely qualifies. Should you also support other platforms? Absolutely. But removing support for a platform like you're suggesting is at best prioritizing ideology over profit, and even the ideology argument is... not one-sided.