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Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by baron_harkonnen on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:10AM (#23179713)
I do stats for a living, and while I think it's good to back up claims with data when possible, inductive reasoning is still a validate tool for understanding the world.

The logic is that active, dedicated terrorist groups already know: "They literally get a drone strike for having called a known terrorist or for going to a wedding other terrorists with cell phones go to."

The reasoning that knowing this information you would be very careful about what you communicate over the internet is very sound to me. To convince me that this reasoning is incorrect would require an abundance of data to the contrary.

Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by remram on Thursday May 14, 2020 @11:58AM (#23181076)
You assume that every terrorist (or most terrorists) acts rationally and has the knowledge you know. That is a huge assumption for your reasoning to work.

I think terrorists make mistakes (or take risks), and I'm not convinced that we catch all of those either.

Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by pyronik19 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @12:22PM (#23181438)
In the context of droning terrorist, I think the anthropic principle applies. The ones who don't act rationally or have that knowledge are dead.
Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by remram on Thursday May 14, 2020 @07:07PM (#23186711)
Once again, that is just your opinion, presented as fact. Personally I would argue that people acting rationally stay away from the terrorism business.
Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by badrabbit on Friday May 15, 2020 @01:31AM (#23189190)
If you were in their shoes and america exterminated your family,how would you react? Killing civilians is evil and horrible but in their case they are being very rational.

Was the US being irrational with nuking of japan?

Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by azinman2 on Thursday May 14, 2020 @03:32PM (#23184269)
You’re assuming a static world.
Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by kube-system on Thursday May 14, 2020 @12:50PM (#23181901)
If terrorists know not to touch digital comms, then how would they get caught by being at a wedding with other terrorists with cell phones? Do terrorists use cell phones or not?

The claim directly conflicts with the supporting anecdote.

Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by badrabbit on Friday May 15, 2020 @01:33AM (#23189206)
Both, they adopt. This isn't a video game you get to beat after figuring out the enemy, unlike games real life enemies adopt to your tactics.
Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by brandmeyer on Thursday May 14, 2020 @01:03PM (#23182111)
People can learn from their mistakes, and from the mistakes of others.
Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by zdragnar on Thursday May 14, 2020 @01:34PM (#23182605)
> inductive reasoning is still a validate tool for understanding the world.

And here it has led you astray. Terrorist organisations have propaganda mouthpieces, and use social media like any other. One of my previous jobs involved building network analysis tools to identify and locate terrorists combing through their Twitter feeds.

For some, you could easily identify the point in their lives when they were radicalized, and trace connections to others who were also, and identify the people they had in common.

Inductive reasoning opens room for questions, not answers, because it does not account for unknown information.

Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by badrabbit on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:00PM (#23188041)
You are talking about the past when they were radicalized,if this happened online then you are right but I thought it was clear that I meant internet usage for organizing and planning terrorism. Propaganda and radicalization is a dragnet, you will catch many but the one cell that recruits in person and communicates on paper only by code will succeed. It's not a volume game,it's a binary game.
Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by zdragnar on Friday May 15, 2020 @10:54AM (#23192884)
No single method of intelligence gathering will win a binary game, that is just moving goal posts.
Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by kingkawn on Thursday May 14, 2020 @10:37AM (#23180064)
"inductive reasoning is still a validate tool for understanding the world."

Thank you so much for saying this.

Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by watwut on Thursday May 14, 2020 @12:24PM (#23181457)
Plenty of people are dumb. Including the ones who decide to join terrorist organization.

Actual terrorists were found because of using cell phones or internet.

Re:Patriot Act amendment needing a warrant for browsing hist... by badrabbit on Friday May 15, 2020 @01:35AM (#23189218)
9/11 terrorists were well educated. Show me how absent flight security 9/11 can't happen again in 2020?