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Re:We Chat, They Watch by philliphaydon on Thursday May 07, 2020 @11:00PM (#23110974)
> As does any messenger through a VPN

Except VPNs are illegal in china. If a site is banned in china. Using a VPN to circumvent the law is breaking the law.

Email is not secure.

Re:We Chat, They Watch by idra on Thursday May 07, 2020 @11:24PM (#23111100)
There is no such thing as "the law" in China. You may be imprisoned or disappeared if you didn't do anything to circumvent "the law", there are always undisclosed "relevant rules and regulations" ready to be unleashed. You can also carry out brazen illegal activities as long as you are well-connected (until you start stepping on toes of someone more well-connected than you).

So what if email is insecure, neither is Wechat. And encrypted email is still a thing.

Re:We Chat, They Watch by lazyasciiart on Friday May 08, 2020 @04:53AM (#23112768)
It's easy to point to examples of all those things in the US. Both countries still have laws.
Re:We Chat, They Watch by 101404 on Friday May 08, 2020 @06:21AM (#23113181)
You are wrong.

There is a big difference between countries with independent judicial systems, and China where judges are below the local party secretary.

Chinese laws are decoration. What actually counts is what the party decides.

Re:We Chat, They Watch by lazyasciiart on Friday May 08, 2020 @12:51PM (#23116794)
Did you know that 95% of people convicted of a crime in the US were not convicted by that independent judicial system? https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/prisons-are-packed-bec...

Just because there isn't "the party" making decisions in the US doesn't mean that there isn't a lot of flexibility in when and how the law is applied. It just gets left up to the local sheriff or prosecutors.

Re:We Chat, They Watch by Eizieizz on Friday May 08, 2020 @06:14PM (#23120145)
Typical Wumao whataboutism! Even the best legal system is flawed because it is handled by humans.

But that doesn't mean that the legal system in the facist dicatorship of China is comparable in any way to a proper democratic judiciary.

Chinas system is an unconstitutional state by definition.

Re:We Chat, They Watch by Markoff on Friday May 08, 2020 @03:04AM (#23112144)
some VPNs are in theory legal, but you are right for 99.9% of Chinese population they are inaccessible and illegal

people downvoting you are morons downvoting for technicality, while you are right

Re:We Chat, They Watch by lvturner on Thursday May 07, 2020 @11:25PM (#23111112)
This isn't strictly true - https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3023081/c...

It's also worth noting that a cellular connection that is roaming is not generally subject to the restrictions the firewall imposes.

Re:We Chat, They Watch by philliphaydon on Friday May 08, 2020 @04:21AM (#23112588)
It is strictly true. The law states: "illegal to access foreign internet without government permission first."

The government opening up businesses to connect to services such as facebook or twitter to promote china businesses and so on is just the government giving permissions.

But for the every-day citizen, the use of a VPN is technically illegal as it circumvents the law.