The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gaming Bonanza

Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by pedrocr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @12:50PM (#23105119)

This is really annoying when building a NAS too. Great value CPUs with ECC support make the configurations great and then you need to spend 50-100€ to just get boot graphics even though the machine will be headless 99% of the time. Buying something second hand or from aliexpress defeats the purpose of trying to build something reliable. The market for low-end discrete GPUs has all but vanished thanks to Intel integrated GPUs. AMD should add a very basic GPU to every CPU part just good enough for boot graphics and consoles. All the motherboards already include the outputs themselves so only a little bit of silicon in the CPU is missing.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by derefr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:08PM (#23105374)

> and then you need to spend 50-100€ to just get boot graphics even though the machine will be headless 99% of the time.

Buy a serial-over-USB patch cable; connect it from the NAS to your laptop; open an STTY emulator on the laptop. No boot graphics needed.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by toast0 on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:20PM (#23105534)

Still need something for boot graphics for the BIOS, unless non-server motherboards are coming with serial redirection default enabled and nobody mentioned it.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by kllrnohj on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:46PM (#23105834)

Set it up with a temporary card and then yank it out after it's setup. You don't tend to access the BIOS that much.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by ciupicri on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:26PM (#23106352)

I wonder if it's possible to set up the UEFI firmware by setting some EFI variables from the operating system for example by running efivar [1].

[1]: https://github.com/rhboot/efivar

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by derefr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:29PM (#23106394)

I mean, why not use a server motherboard (i.e. one supporting AMT; not necessarily one that requires RDIMMs) if you're building a NAS? NASes are servers in terms of their workload. Take advantages of the features designed for server customers.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by pedrocr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:43PM (#23106581)

Availability and cost naturally. A big part of the appeal here is the low price point for a great spec bare-bones home server using these consumer parts.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by toast0 on Thursday May 07, 2020 @04:03PM (#23107582)

Mostly cost. The board itself, but also server boards are often hard to find for desktop sockets, so that drives cost for the CPU as well. But, if I get a server board, maybe I'm going to get one with IPMI, and those usually have serial consoles and some limited VGA for KVM over IP too.

I could afford a $800 server project, but I'd rather spend $300.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by pedrocr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @02:21PM (#23106290)

Had no idea that would even boot. I prefer being able to just plug in a monitor but that's an interesting option.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by jeffbee on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:46PM (#23105835)

What about the core i3-8100 with ECC and IGP? The real problem with building a NAS out of these low-end parts is finding the motherboard where ECC actually works. For Ryzen it's roulette, you just have to order one and see if ECC works at all; for Intel you can count on a few vendors but the motherboards cost twice as much as the CPUs and/or have inconvenient shapes.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by pedrocr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:58PM (#23105965)

The point was to use one of these great AMD parts... Motherboard support doesn't seem to be a problem, Asrock lists all their range as supported and has everything you might need. The actual annoying part about motherboards is that some older stuff is technically compatible but you need an old CPU to upgrade the BIOS before you can install one of the newer ones.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by arvinsim on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:09PM (#23105388)

A comment above refers to the GT 710 as a cheap option new.

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Re:The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gamin... by pedrocr on Thursday May 07, 2020 @01:36PM (#23105715)

That's the 50 in 50-100€. At this level that's around one step up in CPU within the AMD range that you're wasting on an old GPU just to get the thing to boot.

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