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Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by bobthepanda on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:14AM (#23049723)
Where I live in Seattle, there is a lot of new dense neighborhoods going up. And many of these large apartments have ground-level retail, which is supposed to be that urban planning magic sauce for walkable neighborhoods.

The problem is, most of these retail spaces are actually vacant, despite massive job and housing growth. But why? Because the retail spaces are simply too large. These spaces are big enough to seat 100-200 people, but most restaurants, even popular ones, will not seat that many people most of the time, so they end up paying rent on real estate that is not being fully utilized the vast majority of the time, and then they go belly up because they can't afford the rent.

One recent trend that has kind of taken us back to the roots of small restaurant square footage is the food hall, where many small setups share one large communal seating area. Another is the food truck, with no seating, minimal rent costs, and the entire operation fits in a parking space. There is a great irony when I've been to a food truck serving food out of the parking lot of an under-occupied strip mall, because the strip mall spaces are simply too large.

It also doesn't help that mom-and-pops are not exactly the most attractive tenants for commercial lending; better to ink a long-term contract with a sure bet like a bank branch or a national chain.

Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by toohotatopic on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:54AM (#23049909)
Too large shouldn't be a problem.

Every large space can be trimmed down to a small space. If there are too many vacant shops in an area, and there would be a market for smaller shops, I would assume that tenants add walls and rent out the smaller space. Even if that walled-off space is unused, tenants would make more money than not renting out at all.

Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by AnthonyMouse on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:58AM (#23049919)
That's assuming the zoning allows the space to be subdivided.
Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by m_mueller on Saturday May 02, 2020 @04:18AM (#23050270)
I think you may have boiled the problem down to its essence. Search for Japanese vs. US zoning laws to see the two extremes. European countries tend to be somewhere in the middle. Same pattern can be observed with restaurant sizes and their variety.
Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by remarkEon on Saturday May 02, 2020 @05:16AM (#23050490)
Yep, it's this. Zoning laws in US urban centers are an absolute nightmare to navigate. If you have the time (and the gall) consider looking up the zoning laws that exist across what a normal person would consider "Los Angeles".
Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by watt on Saturday May 02, 2020 @03:58AM (#23050187)
Do you live in some kind of dictatorship? In a democracy there are tools how a community makes it allowed.
Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by bobthepanda on Saturday May 02, 2020 @01:59PM (#23053600)
In reality, democracy can be commandeered by well-organized groups of people that vote as a bloc. At the local level, this means that well-connected homeowner associations wield the power to ban density and commercial activity near where they live.

The oft-cited counterexample to US restrictive zoning, Japan's permissive zoning, works because in Japan zoning type is decided at the national level and there are only 12 types of zoning that define maximum nuisance (so a blacklist). US zoning gets extremely nitty-gritty and is functionally a whitelist.

Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by gladskdks on Saturday May 02, 2020 @06:49AM (#23050946)
Yes. It's rules by the God Emperor Money II.
Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by bobthepanda on Saturday May 02, 2020 @12:46PM (#23052976)
Kitchens need quite a lot (ventilation, gas hookups, water, electricity for the kitchen in the right places).

You can't just throw up some false walls and call it a day. Even if you could, your landlord's lease terms probably don't let you sublease like that.

Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by aaronbrethorst on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:49AM (#23049888)
South lake union? Gonna be even more of a ghost town with the amazon ‘wfh til October’ directive.
Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by anovikov on Saturday May 02, 2020 @02:51AM (#23049896)
Almost reminded me the picture from the early Middle Ages when whole population of the Roman city now fit in a market square...
Re:Why Restaurants Are So Fucked by thatcat on Sunday May 03, 2020 @12:41PM (#23060100)
A tax on under utilized spaces could result in reduced rents that make the space usable anyway.