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Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by michaelt on Thursday April 30, 2020 @12:41PM (#23032892)
> I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me how 15K+ in tuition a year is acceptable.

I believe people who support such things think as follows:

1. $15k a year tuition for 4 years is a great deal if it turns you into a banker or programmer with a $150,000 a year salary and a 40-year career. Indeed, it would be unjust for a garbage man's taxes to be paying for a stockbroker's education.

2. Majoring in poetry might not be such a clearly great decision, but if you're on the left politically, banning poetry is anti-intellectual; and if you're on the right market demand is its own justification.

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by CydeWeys on Thursday April 30, 2020 @02:31PM (#23034335)
It's not unjust if that garbageman went to university too, or at least had the same opportunity. Society is better off with better educated citizens. It's why we have free public schooling up through the age of 18; many other countries simply carry that farther.

On the poetry point specifically, I really think writing degrees in general would be more successful if they were granted by trade schools (i.e. a focus on doing the thing, not a focus on academic scholarship about the thing).

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by vonmoltke on Thursday April 30, 2020 @05:50PM (#23036581)
> It's why we have free public schooling up through the age of 18; many other countries simply carry that farther.

To be fair, we also have compulsory schooling for that period as well, and it makes complete sense to use tax revenue to pay for something the same government is making you do.

Note that I don't oppose the use of tax revenue to fund voluntary education, and I personally benefited heavily from it. Its just that using the example of the government paying for something it made mandatory is not much of an argument in itself for having it pay for something that is voluntary.

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by CydeWeys on Sunday May 03, 2020 @01:25PM (#23060449)
There are scores of government services that aren't compulsory/universal though. I don't think that's a key differentiator. And there's plenty of things the government makes you do that they don't pay for, either.
Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by mrj on Thursday April 30, 2020 @02:38PM (#23034441)
> Indeed, it would be unjust for a garbage man's taxes to be paying for a stockbroker's education.

Education and improving society floats all boats, just as the garbage man is dependent on people generating trash. Stocks fund companies that employ people who generate trash. That was a very narrow, short-sighted analysis of tax policy.

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by notfromhere on Thursday April 30, 2020 @03:22PM (#23034978)
Said 150k a year for 40 years generates more in taxes than the up front cost of the education, so said investment makes sense in terms of the public good.

With loans, the govt both makes a return on the interest AND a lifetime increase in net tax revenues.

Value of a college education goes beyond salary, and ideally creates a better informed citizenry.

Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by gamblor956 on Thursday April 30, 2020 @09:04PM (#23038102)
Garbage men in major cities make more than $100,000/year, not including benefits and pension (if they're part of a unionized workforce). Don't be concerned about the garbage man's taxes paying for the stockbroker's education.
Re:Colleges at the breaking point, forcing ‘hard choices’ ab... by Gollapalli on Thursday April 30, 2020 @04:38PM (#23035804)
About as right-wing as you can get. also studied poetry in college. Let's not make this about left-right, thanks.