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Re:The Amish health care system by mrtksn on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:10AM (#22953012)
So does the developers. Anyone can code and do %90 of what a developer can do with a very little training.

Yet, these are highly paid jobs because It’s not about being able to do it, it’s about understanding what they are doing. This way, they don’t just know how to do it but why to do it and what are the implications of doings it and how to debug it when the outcome is not the expected one.

Any junior can probably do %99 of what their seniors can do, yet when you look for a highly paid senior you don’t take a cheap junior as an option.

US health system might be a racket but not the health profession. No where else visiting a hospital is a financial decision(yet the med staff is still well paid), you only worry about the medical issue and it’s impact on your life and the lives of your loved ones, except maybe when you need some very novel treatment for your rare condition.

I have to add that this way of thinking, in general, is a very blue collar mental model on how world works. Nurses claim that they can do what doctors do, mechanics claim that they can do what engineers do all the time.

Re:The Amish health care system by drdeca on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:20AM (#22953051)
There isn’t a legal requirement to have gone to programming school before one can practice software development. (And a good thing too!)

If someone wants to hire someone who can kinda program a little, because they charge less, and are likely able to accomplish the task the person has in mind, then they should be free to do that.

(Of course, if the task is one where failure causes a big problem, then one should get someone more qualified.)

Re:The Amish health care system by onei on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:33AM (#22953110)
> There isn’t a legal requirement to have gone to programming school before one can practice software development. (And a good thing too!)

The vast majority of developers cannot kill you if they screw up. In the cases where that isn't true, e.g. software for medical equipment, I'd expect to find some significantly higher hurdles to get past before you can release that software.

We don't generally require developers to have certain qualifications, but their output can be measured in other standardised ways nonetheless.

Re:The Amish health care system by etripe on Thursday April 23, 2020 @05:28AM (#22954192)
> their output can be measured in other standardised ways nonetheless.

What are these standardised ways to measure developer output? I've never seen any, beyond "burndown charts" and "LOC", which I don't believe pass the sniff test.

Re:The Amish health care system by onei on Friday April 24, 2020 @04:31PM (#22972604)
One example of a standard software might comply with is MISRA C [1]. For that, you ignore a large chunk of the C language to something much less prone to bugs. Others might be HIPAA compliance, how you handle personal information to be compliant with GDPR or the VW diesel emissions scandal a few years ago.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MISRA_C

Re:The Amish health care system by HPsquared on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:18AM (#22955578)
Lots of professions can kill people of they screw up. LOTS. Our society has various ways to deal with this.
Re:The Amish health care system by mrtksn on Thursday April 23, 2020 @01:30AM (#22953092)
That’s only because of the size if the impact if things go wrong. You need a license too to build a house or drive a truck because it’s actually very easy to do it %99 of the time well but you can’t afford that %1.

Low affordance causes spilled blood, blood causes regulations.

Re:The Amish health care system by ggreer on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:00AM (#22953231)
I would argue that bus drivers have a much larger impact in terms of lives lost if things go wrong, yet they have significantly lower wages and require less training. The same goes for pilots and air traffic controllers.
Re:The Amish health care system by mrtksn on Thursday April 23, 2020 @02:06AM (#22953256)
You can argue that but what’s your point? The current truck driver training system works well enough AFAIK. Do you demand more training?
Re:The Amish health care system by HPsquared on Thursday April 23, 2020 @09:20AM (#22955593)
How is it decided how many regulations are "enough" for a given field? It seems they are on an ever-increasing ratchet mechanism, often driven by mass hysteria.
Re:The Amish health care system by truculent on Thursday April 23, 2020 @06:01AM (#22954348)
> There isn’t a legal requirement to have gone to programming school before one can practice software development.

It is if you are developing software in some high risk settings!