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Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by philwelch on Friday April 17, 2020 @01:15AM (#22896411)
This probably goes hand in hand with the unremovable batteries. Back when they had removable batteries you could run it on AC with no battery installed and it would work fine.
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by Polylactic_acid on Friday April 17, 2020 @01:18AM (#22896434)
No, thats purely to prevent repair. Its perfectly possible to have a removable battery and to just not boot when one is not inserted. Thats how phones used to work ~2013
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by closeparen on Friday April 17, 2020 @01:46AM (#22896553)
A removable battery requires its own protective shell, which costs weight and thickness. When it's not user serviceable, it can just be a bag of acid resting on the main board, piggybacking on the device's own case for the required protection.
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by Polylactic_acid on Friday April 17, 2020 @02:09AM (#22896648)
The protective shell can be only the bottom side which replaces the bottom of the case. The internal laptop batteries are quite safe to handle if you don't use anything sharp on them. We let people handle phone batteries for ages and they weren't nearly as protected as those old laptop battery tubes.
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by lloeki on Friday April 17, 2020 @05:21AM (#22897475)
They were certainly more protected than the almost naked ones I see right now which I can singlehandedly bend (but won't given the fire hazard). And not LiPol batteries too, which are super nasty in that regard: the more energy-dense the battery is, the more of a hazard.
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by rjvs on Friday April 17, 2020 @04:29AM (#22897230)
The phone batteries that people handled did store a lot less energy though.
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by xorcist on Friday April 17, 2020 @03:03AM (#22896863)
Non-removable just means it's soldered down. Open a phone and you will see that the batteries certainly have just the kind of plastic shell that they always had.
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by serf on Friday April 17, 2020 @07:42AM (#22898130)
most phones and tablets i've worked on recently certainly do not have any plastic shell on non-removable batteries; unless you consider shrink tubing a shell.

They are usually constructed of layers of battery material, wrapped in kapton tape or an equivalent, with the entire package shrink-tubed and a pigtail coming out the side for the device interface.

One could easily crush the unit by hand, the construction offers little to no protection from physical forces.

Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by philwelch on Friday April 17, 2020 @01:45AM (#22896548)
I’m not saying one is a requirement for the other, just that you don’t have to worry about the battery-removed state when it doesn’t exist.

From the tear downs I’ve seen, it seems like the primary motivation for the non-removable battery is so they can cram it into every spare piece of space.

Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by Polylactic_acid on Friday April 17, 2020 @02:06AM (#22896638)
I guess there are also multiple states of removable. 2012 macbooks had the battery in multiple packs in odd spaces like the new ones but they had a screw in bracket holding them in place which made it trivial to remove and put a new one in. The new ones have it glued down so heavily that the battery replacement process is "Take the screen off, put it on a new bottom case, throw out the old bottom half"
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by sschueller on Friday April 17, 2020 @02:03AM (#22896620)
Someone remind me why the batteries are no longer removable? Macbooks aren't water tight.

Oh right, the laptop looks pretty and the battery can't be fitted in one area without adding some thickness.

Im so sick over this form over function crap that everyone copies.

Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by emilecantin on Friday April 17, 2020 @09:46AM (#22898923)
Having opened both my 2008 Macbook (with removable battery) and my current 2015 Macbook Pro (with non-removable battery), it's easy to see why: the 2015's battery is actually 4 different batteries of varying sizes & shapes. It's taking most of the space inside the computer that isn't taken by the motherboard (about half, actually).

Making stuff removable is a lot more work; you have to build a way to hold the thing while it's on, you have to put in connectors, etc. With non-removable batteries they can just glue them on & solder the wires.

Not really saying it's a good thing, but I understand the decision.

Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by fsflover on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:49AM (#22897874)
Purism Librem 15 is also pretty thin, but the battery is easily removable.
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by stinos on Friday April 17, 2020 @02:03AM (#22896622)
and it would work fine.

Though in practice, the magsafe connector wasn't cat- or human proof meaning when one of those gets as much as near the cable it's byebye unsaved work and in worst case byebye boot because of a messed up system. I ended up taping the connector to the laptop to avoid that. As to why I'd run without a battery: it was swollen.

Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by Hamuko on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:04AM (#22897645)
Do new MacBooks not power on with just AC if you take out the battery?
Re:Apple changes default MacBook charging behavior to improv... by wrs on Friday April 17, 2020 @01:23PM (#22901005)
Well, I don't really want to destroy my MacBook to find out.