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Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by matsemann on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:10AM (#22864906)
Google maybe (?) had a better track record in 2014, but if there's one company I wouldn't buy anything with a lifetime guarantee from now it would have to be them.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by notatoad on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:53AM (#22865210)
to be clear, this was not a case of buying something with a lifetime guarantee, this was a monthly subscription, and a promise that you'd be grandfathered into the old rate indefinitely.

it's kinda shitty of them to cancel it, but not like the situations where people have tried to buy "lifetime" subscriptions to some SaaS product by paying a large up-front cost, and then having it cancelled.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by totalZero on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @10:06AM (#22866114)
> a promise that you'd be grandfathered into the old rate indefinitely.

Sounds like a lifetime guarantee to me.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by macintux on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:15AM (#22866992)
“indefinitely” is a huge loophole, not a lifetime guarantee. If that word was used by Google at the time, there is no case here.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by xbmcuser on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @12:24AM (#22874480)
YouTube music is shutting down the lifetime guarantee is for the product or service life not the subscriber's life. So I am not sure where they are wrong in shutting the service.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by notatoad on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:40AM (#22867317)
whether or not this could be called a lifetime guarantee was not the point of my comment, at all.

typically, purchasing something with a lifetime guarantee requires an up-front payment to secure the lifetime guarantee. it seemed like some people here might have been under the assumption that was the situation with google music. i just wanted to make it clear what the actual situation is.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by noncoml on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:05AM (#22866861)
I am agree 100% with you. But this looks like a bug.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by Fjolsvith on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:22AM (#22864984)
Lifetime guarantees from companies are wishful thinking, IMHO. The company can get bought out, go bankrupt, etc., and your guarantee is worth nothing.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by onion2k on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @09:04AM (#22865363)
The company can get bought out, go bankrupt, etc.

Unless I missed some big news, Google hasn't been bought out or gone bankrupt. Those aren't relevant here. If a company offers a lifetime guarantee then it should honor that for the lifetime of the company. Google have chosen not to bother honoring the promise they made in the past, and they should be held to account for that.

If you run a business and you choose to make a lifetime offer you don't get to take that back just because you don't want to do it any more.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by reaperducer on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:31AM (#22867189)
If you run a business and you choose to make a lifetime offer you don't get to take that back just because you don't want to do it any more.

Tell that to Oregon Scientific, which cancelled the "lifetime" weather updates to my weather device.

Tell that Flightradar 24, which disabled the app I paid for, and the only way to get the functionality back is to download its new app and pay for a subscription. If it was disclosed at the time of purchase that I could be cut of at any time, I wouldn't have bought it.

Two stories. There are millions more on the internet.

I believe that XM radio did something similarly slimy to people who purchased a "lifetime" subscription when the service was starting up and it needed cash.

And didn't a bunch of people get their e-books deleted when Microsoft decided to shut down its e-book service? You think you're buying a lifetime of reading, only to find out you were just renting the books.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by onion2k on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:44AM (#22867367)
Google certainly aren't the first company to screw their users, and they won't be the last. That doesn't make it excusable though. That just means they're as bad as the other companies.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by linuxftw on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:03AM (#22866841)
Probably covered in the terms of service. They decided to 'end' that service and start a 'new' service, which happens to be very similar to the old service, but isn't.

How anyone could give google a nickle at this point with their 0 customer support is beyond me.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by tomp on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:27AM (#22865029)
Wouldn't all contracts still remain valid if the company got bought out?
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by lozenge on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:40AM (#22865119)
Contracts need consideration. Basically if the company stops charging you, they don't owe you anything. This is also backed up by explicit clauses that say this.

The exception would be if somebody paid a "lifetime guarantee fee" initially to get that promise of service.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by close04 on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @09:04AM (#22865368)
And even then you would only get the fee back. Getting any compensation for damages caused by the contract being broken is pretty much impossible in a case like this. It's hard to assign a value to that "lifetime guarantee" especially since the lifetime of this kind of service is determined "reasonably", not the life of the service or the user. It's unlikely that it's longer than 10 years so one might at best be compensated for another 4 years' worth of losing the price guarantee. At maybe $1 per month (assuming this is what they'll charge extra in the future) and given any legal costs this boils down to nothing.

I imagine Google will not go further than giving a gift card to those users and call it a day.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by gowld on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:50AM (#22865186)
All the money pay since the first day was the consideration.

> Basically if the company stops charging you, they don't owe you anything

No. If they refund the money you paid, or whatever they can convince a judge is the value of the lifetime guarantee (the difference between TYM and GPM prices forever, converted to Net Present Value), they don't owe you anything.

The only right thing to do is to refund all past customer payments, or refund the "value of the lifetime guarantee" (with treble damages for willfully violating the contract?), and add a "lifetime guarantee fee" in future contracts with clear wording to avoud the problem in the future.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by tomatocracy on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @10:03AM (#22866081)
If the value of what you got from them is worth more than what you paid, then they can't just refund you what you paid and say "we didn't mean it". They'd be liable for damages for the value to you of the service and you might even be able to get an order for specific performance.

A good example of this is the story of the small number of ticket American Airlines sold in the late 80s/early 90s which offered unlimited first-class air travel anywhere in the world for life.

They eventually had to resort buying them back from those customers for rather more than had originally been paid for the tickets.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by nradov on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:42AM (#22865136)
Generally yes, unless the contract contains an explicit exclusionary clause about change of corporate control.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by patentatt on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @09:02AM (#22865335)
But you assume good faith. Google is not bought out or bankrupt. You would assume that “because a project manager wants a raise” isn’t the cause to cancel products. But Google does.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by rorykoehler on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:24AM (#22865008)
I find myself not buying lifetime subscriptions to stuff because I find them dishonest.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by gowld on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:51AM (#22865192)
Do you buy the non-lifetime versions from those dishonest companies, or eschew the company entirely?
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by CydeWeys on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @09:02AM (#22865345)
It sounds like this was effectively a monthly subscription anyway.
Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by Angostura on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:26AM (#22865020)
It's always a good idea to determine what object is that we are measuring the lifetime off.

Is it you, the customer? The offering company, or the 'lifetime of the offer' - which can be any number, as here.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by Kaibeezy on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @01:56PM (#22869181)
^^^ CORRECT ^^^

Unless expressly stated, it’s the lifetime of the product or offering, not the buyer’s lifetime.

Buy a non-stick frying pan with a “lifetime” guarantee on the coating. 3 years.

Re:Google cancels legacy Google Play Music subscriptions by apexalpha on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:25AM (#22865018)
On the other hand a lot of companies have these kind of offers when they're trying to reach critical mass. Buying it in the early stages of a companies lifetime can be rewarding.

But it is always a gamble, yes.