Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by namdnay on Friday April 10, 2020 @09:44AM
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> especially US people
definitely not. french companies actually have engineering salary tables depending on your age and university
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by hunterwerlla on Friday April 10, 2020 @10:17PM
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That sounds interesting, is there an english source to read about that?
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by namdnay on Saturday April 11, 2020 @07:57AM
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I can’t find anything concrete, each company does it internally. There are some articles where they publish the starting salary based on your university’s “rank”. Try google translate on this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lexpress.fr/emploi/les-atou...
It discusses how there are 6 ranks for business schools, and your salary for the first N years will be based on that. Same for engineering. It’s funny that one of the companies is proud to declare that they can move salaries by “up to 5%!!!” based on the candidate themselves (whereas the school can make a 20-30% difference...)
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by hunterwerlla on Sunday April 12, 2020 @01:08AM
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Google translate worked really well on the article, thanks! That's kind of insane that the school you went to can give you a raise from 30k euro to 40k euro despite having to do the same job.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by deepGem on Friday April 10, 2020 @07:14AM
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The university obsession is not unique to US. It's true in India as well. If you are not from the elite institutions, you won't get past any hiring scanners of top tech companies. You'll still get a job, not the best paying one though.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by cies on Friday April 10, 2020 @08:28AM
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It's common to all developing nations, and the US (which is both a developing nation and a developed nation in one).
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by ativzzz on Friday April 10, 2020 @12:28PM
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It's common to all nations, period.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by cies on Sunday April 12, 2020 @12:40PM
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It's a heck of a lot less common in Scandinavian countries, or even a large part of (Eastern-) Europe. But yeah, no facts, just an opinion i guess
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by yakireev on Saturday April 11, 2020 @06:43AM
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For the record: not to all nations. In Russia, a really cool technical university (Bauman's, PhysTech, some faculitis of MGU) will give you some advantage in the early stages of your IT career, but not that much.
Source: am a dropout of a shitty university, still have no degree. It does not bother HRs, as far as I could see so far.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by indigochill on Saturday April 11, 2020 @02:06PM
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Also anecdotally I haven't noticed it in Iceland. I've been part of a number of hiring processes here and although the presence or absence of education has of course been a factor, where that education happened has been totally irrelevant.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by dmos62 on Friday April 10, 2020 @06:53AM
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I don't presume to know what that depends on, but wherever you go, in my experience, there seems to be a mix of job opportunities that are diploma-centric and skill-centric. What's more, the people I'm interested working with are generally in the latter category. So it's somewhat ironic, but the whole me-not-having-a-top-school-diploma thing works to my advantage by inadvertantly pinpointing the interesting opportunities.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by mlboss on Friday April 10, 2020 @11:49AM
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US is so much better than India. Indian companies openly write in job description that only people with education in premier institutes apply.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by ChuckNorris89 on Friday April 10, 2020 @11:28AM
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>(especially US people for some reason) seem overly obsessed with the university someone attended
That happens literally everywhere, especially at big companies that make easy money. The elites don't like sharing the pie with the great unwashed.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by disgruntledphd2 on Saturday April 11, 2020 @10:03AM
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I dunno man, I was really surprised by the behaviours I saw; maybe I have been particularly fortunate in my career but it definitely seemed to me like it was worse in the US.
Perhaps it's bad in other places too. I personally think it's idiotic, as the point of interviewing is to find great candidates, and I have never felt like the University they attended was a particularly good predictor of that.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by technicalbard on Friday April 10, 2020 @11:10AM
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This is curious given there are well documented findings that which school you attended doesn't correlate to actual success. This is true in Engineering and Law. The problem, particularly in the US, is that the skills that are tested by the standardized tests (SAT, LSAT) are NOT the skills that make someone good at the job that comes out at the end.
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by concordDance on Friday April 10, 2020 @12:07PM
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That's surprising.
Can I have a citation?
Re:The software industry's greatest sin: hiring
by tikiman163 on Friday April 10, 2020 @08:10PM
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That entirely depends on the company. The US is nearly the size of Europe, each state is roughly equivalent to a different country. How people think and behave vary vastly.
Everyone said it was impossible.
She went to LinkedIn, found people with the right skills (strong data and ability to communicate), and had a massive fight with HR because none of the candidates came from "top" schools.
She won the argument, and all of the hired candidates did a great job.
People (especially US people for some reason) seem overly obsessed with the university someone attended, when it doesn't seem to be that predictive of workplace success.