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Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by cortesoft on Monday April 06, 2020 @04:10PM (#22797273)
So what should we do?
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by vkou on Monday April 06, 2020 @04:19PM (#22797387)
Carbon taxes, and protectionist trade tariffs against countries who don't adopt carbon taxes.

Make non-compliance painful enough, and the defectors will fall in line.

Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by banads on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:22PM (#22798028)
>Make non-compliance painful enough, and the defectors will fall in line.

Maybe they don't, or maybe in the end that's all too little too late, which is why I'd suggest adding adaptation initiatives to your list.

Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by vkou on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:48PM (#22798237)
We're going to have to turn to adaptation initiatives even if we go net-zero-carbon tomorrow - that's kind of baked into our future planning at this point.
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by mirimir on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:51PM (#22799083)
What if the defectors have more nukes than you do?
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by e9 on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @01:23AM (#22800529)
For a lot of countries it’s either emit pollution and feed people or don’t and let lots of people starve. Do you think your privileged life worth more than someone from third world who can barely afford to eat?
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by Rexxar on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:56PM (#22799102)
Buy carbon and store it somewhere.
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by jfrankamp on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:17PM (#22797983)
The United States military could best be used to fight this by destroying (with warning) global fossil fuel infrastructure that wasn't voluntarily closed, bit by bit with a decade long schedule. The announcement alone would prompt a massive shift in energy production, use, investment etc. Our own legacy infrastructure would also have to be on the list. Call it a Paris accord with teeth.

It will never happen, because collectively we don't believe the cost of climate change is greater than the cost of leveling the landscape of incentives to reduce emissions + reducing emissions. The US could unilaterally leverage its remaining military lead to enact global change.

Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by mnl on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:12PM (#22798834)
Wow... So the military of the state that has contributed most to the global cumulative CO2 emissions (25%) can "solve" the problem with indiscriminate attacks and war crimes everywhere else now. Fascinating. Are people forgetting about this practice of thinking about their idea at least for 30 seconds before starting to type?
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by jfrankamp on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @01:08PM (#22805154)
Targeting unoccupied fossil fuel infrastructure on an announced schedule is indiscriminate? War crimes for killing an oil derrick?

That is fascinating to me. We know the Paris accord cannot work without enforcement. It is economically disadvantageous to go first. As I said, it will never happen. We don't take the threat seriously, we don't believe it is an existential threat.

Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by mnl on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @02:35PM (#22806066)
Well, it happens to be both things. I have no doubt that you will find international criminal law fascinating, you just have to google it.
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by tlrobinson on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:58PM (#22798710)
That sounds like a good way to start World War III. The top oil producing countries after the US are:

Saudi Arabia, Russia, Canada, China, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Brazil, Iran, Kuwait

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=709&t=6

Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by Mountain_Skies on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:08PM (#22798803)
Nuclear winter would solve global warming though it still would count as climate change, so maybe it's a wash.
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by jfrankamp on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @01:20PM (#22805274)
All signatories of the Paris accord. All are nominally thought to be rapidly transforming their economies in response to an existential crisis.

"including high polluters such as China, the US, India, Russia, Japan, Germany, South Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Indonesia and Mexico, which generate more than half the world's greenhouse gas emissions, will somehow drive down their carbon pollution voluntarily and assiduously without any binding enforcement mechanism"

What is the binding enforcement mechanism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by mirimir on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:58PM (#22799114)
Well, Russia doesn't seem so happy about global warming. I gather that melting permafrost screws up gas production. So maybe they'd want to work with the US.
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by jchook on Monday April 06, 2020 @08:25PM (#22799261)
The US is well versed in "the lesser of two evils"
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by malandrew on Monday April 06, 2020 @10:35PM (#22799865)
Can militaries around the world even operate without fossil fuels? Some of the larger ships and submarines are nuclear, but pretty much everything else is fossil fuel dependent AFAIK.
Re:Coronavirus and Credibility by kaikai on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:15PM (#22798852)
The US military is a leading source of carbon emissions