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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by pedrocr on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @07:45PM (#22754761)
The vast majority of what runs on a modern Linux system doesn't come from GNU at all and that percentage is trending down over the years with things like LLVM making even the last few generally used core pieces replaceable. I don't think there's now anything to stop you from running a fully recognizable Linux distribution without any GNU software at all.

It was a silly argument to be getting into 10 years ago. These days it just seems like trying to take credit for other people's work. I have great respect for the GNU project and the GPL was a great invention that I use when I release stuff. Beating this dead horse just detracts from that.

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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by michaelmrose on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @08:37PM (#22755103)
The availability of alternatives does little to detract from the utility of what is actually used. Ex gcc
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by devit on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @09:10PM (#22755277)
glibc and bash are needed to have a traditional Unix-like Linux-based system and I don't think they have any fully compatible replacements (musl and BSD sh aren't).
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by int_19h on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @09:48PM (#22755505)
To the extent this is true, it's because other software relies on specific features (and sometimes quirks) of bash and glibc, not because you can't have a workable Unix without them.

Which is to say - ironically, these last remaining dependencies wouldn't be there if open standards were followed more rigorously.

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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by remcob on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:26PM (#22755697)
Ah yes, textbook "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" strategy. Very ironic that GNU now looks like it's following this pattern (obviously unintentionally).
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by chubot on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:19PM (#22755657)
Alpine Linux and many other distros use musl and busybox (non GNU projects, although busybox is GPL).

And I would definitely call them Unix systems, since they run almost all the same software.

Although GCC is still a good argument, since very few distros use Clang by default, I think mostly because of the Linux kernel.

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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by figomore on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @09:16PM (#22755314)
I think ZSH is a valid alternative to Bash.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by tomnipotent on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @09:34PM (#22755423)
OS X Catalina even made ZSH the default.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by bashinator on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:21PM (#22755665)
IIRC, not just a alternative, but a full super-set.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by saagarjha on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:39PM (#22755771)
No, Zsh is not a full super-set of Bash.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by saagarjha on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @09:37PM (#22755441)
I don’t.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by crazypython on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:28PM (#22755713)
Even macOS runs with GNU Bash.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by wazzaps on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:37PM (#22755762)
Was replaced with zsh recently
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by crazypython on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:33PM (#22760784)
Apple's Command Line Tools installer installs GNU Bash.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by saagarjha on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:40PM (#22755776)
Bash is still available.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by saagarjha on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @10:33PM (#22755742)
Not for long, most likely.
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Re:GNU Users Who Have Never Heard of GNU (2006) by new_realist on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @09:48PM (#22755510)
llvm-libc is in the planning stages.
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