You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems

Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by webn3rd on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:21AM (#22718374)

Still, in my point of view, your viewpoint and the article's one can be aligned. Strictly speaking, converting your ideas about the fantasy world into code to run the game is "solving a problem". I'd argue that any creative process can be coined as a problem-solving exercise, except for the fact that in many such cases the problem isn't tangible and the outcome isn't measurable.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by amelius on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:05AM (#22718661)

> I'd argue that any creative process can be coined as a problem-solving exercise

Problem solving with real-world constraints = engineering

Problem solving without any constraints = art

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by acdha on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:08AM (#22718685)

Art has always had constraints: funding, the physical media’s capabilities, and the ability to reach an audience. This is why any time a new technology shift happens there’s a spike of artists trying things which were not previously feasible.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by amelius on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:09AM (#22718691)

It's a spectrum. I just wrote down the two ends.

Also, an artist's constraints are often self-prescribed, and they can easily change them if they like.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by blondin on Sunday March 29, 2020 @10:11AM (#22719119)

> Also, an artist's constraints are often self-prescribed, and they can easily change them if they like.

the most amazing art (both graphics and music) i have seen on computer were from atari, amiga, & c64 demosceners. these artists had real software and hardware contraints.

i like what you said about it being a spectrum though. i think it's hard to tell when engineering becomes art and art becomes engineering. but one can easily spot pure (for its own sake) engineering or pure art.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by lioeters on Sunday March 29, 2020 @11:06AM (#22719578)

There's also a fair bit of "engineering for engineering's sake" (as a parallel of "art for art's sake" - "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_for_art's_sake), "divorced from any didactic, moral, politic, or utilitarian function".

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by thaumasiotes on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:10AM (#22718694)

This is reminiscent of the old divide between mathematics and philosophy:

true and useful = math

true and useless = philosophy

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by ken on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:09PM (#22720609)

What occupation, I wonder, was the person who coined that joke? Compare:

"It is not possible to justify the life of any genuine professional mathematician on the ground of the 'utility' of his work." (G. H. Hardy, 1940)

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by wwweston on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:22AM (#22718772)

Which side does the practice of distinguishing between the useful and the useless fall on?

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by blondin on Sunday March 29, 2020 @10:04AM (#22719070)

philosophy decides :)

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by abjKT26nO8 on Sunday March 29, 2020 @10:08AM (#22719097)

I wouldn't bet on the "true" part in philosophy. More like nonsensical.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by CraigJPerry on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:26AM (#22718414)

Having watched a significant amount of the hand made hero series (the closest I’ll get to writing games) i’m more inclined to side with the grandparent on this one.

Game dev can be just hardcore programming juggling everything from euler equations to hardware performance budgeting.

Sure you can take the view this are just constraints in a problem solving exercise.

Or it’s highly skilled programming. I fall on the latter view for sure.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by heavenlyblue on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:23AM (#22718395)

I would argue that life is solving a problem of living.

I would not write a post about it.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by everyone on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:38AM (#22718487)

Yeah, thats a bit of a stretch tho.. The article really emphasizes 'real world problems' .. They are clearly thinking building some kind of web-app like uber or airbnb or whatever.

Like, you could also say that I'm solving the real world problem of, 'this exact game not existing, cus these specific people would love to play it but it doesnt exist' .. But that is a super-stretch.

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Re:You’re not writing code, you’re solving problems by datalist on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:34AM (#22718876)

You could argue that, but that would apply to painters, chefs, mechanics, hair dressers, everyone.

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