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Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by twblalock on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:52PM (#22715966)
There is going to be a lot of second-guessing after this is all over.

I find it difficult to blame the governor of a state with a $26 billion budget deficit in 2011 for cutting this. How many people were thinking about pandemics then? How many voters would have chosen to keep this program or discontinue it?

We are about to enter another deep recession and similar cuts will be made, which may seem unwise to people a decade from now.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by parineum on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:33PM (#22716152)
> I find it difficult to blame the governor of a state with a $26 billion budget deficit in 2011 for cutting this. How many people were thinking about pandemics then?

The one who put it in place? Someone had the foresight to implement this program.

It's one thing to forgive someone for not having foresight but it's something else entirely to actively dismantle the fruits of your predecessors foresight.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by twblalock on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:45PM (#22716205)
> It's one thing to forgive someone for not having foresight but it's something else entirely to actively dismantle the fruits of your predecessors foresight.

A pandemic seemed about as improbable then as an alien invasion. What should the government have cut instead? School spending? Social services? How do you think the voters would have responded? Remember that the budget deficit was enormous.

It's pretty hard to defend funding pie-in-the-sky ideas like global pandemics when people have concrete, immediate problems. Just a month ago, the concept of a global pandemic that would shut down a huge portion of the economy seemed insane to 99% of voters.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by HarryHirsch on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:58PM (#22716259)
A pandemic seemed about as improbable then as an alien invasion

People have warned about a global pandemic for decades, and there were a few near misses - Ebola in 2014, SARS, MERS. Bill Gates was quite vocal. It's a 100-year event, something that people prepare against. No sane person builds in the 100-year floodplain!

Next up in California: AR1Kstorm.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by barry-cotter on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:05AM (#22716577)
> No sane person builds in the 100-year floodplain!

Doesn’t that describe most of Florida and the Gulf Coast? In practice many, many people are willing to build on 50-year floodplains, and not in ways that leave a perfectly good house afterwards either. No houses on stilts or anything similar.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by philwelch on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:11AM (#22716338)
You're not wrong, but a near miss can seem a lot like "crying wolf" to an ignorant populace.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by HarryHirsch on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:54AM (#22716533)
Call me tinfoil-hatted, but the ignorant populace is egged on by disaster capitalists, enabled by out-of-control campaign financing in the US. Catastrophe means profits, just look at the bailout package that just went through. Disaster preparedness needs to be overseen by actuaries, but we can't have that.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by TaylorAlexander on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:06AM (#22716584)
I had to look that up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARkStorm

Interesting.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by bencollier49 on Sunday March 29, 2020 @02:26AM (#22716855)
> No sane person builds in the 100-year floodplain!

Oh, we do that all the time in the UK. They build super-expensive pokey houses with little postage-stamp gardens on 5-year floodplains and all sorts of idiots buy them.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by wtdo on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:55PM (#22716245)
The swine flu pandemic ended in August 2010. If it's really the same probabilities, I'm just gonna assume the aliens are already living among us.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by manicdee on Sunday March 29, 2020 @09:10PM (#22724323)
We’ve known that pandemics were going to get more likely as international travel got faster and cheaper, and population density rose and absolute population numbers rose. These factors have been part of the horror stories that epidemiologists tell each other late at night when the lights are out:

“so it was a normal year, and airlines reduced the cost of India to USA flights by 20%,”

horrified gasps (the audience knows where this story is going)

Pandemic might have seemed improbable to you as a layperson, but the medical community has been bracing for this for decades. The less seriously you take it, the less seriously your politicians take it and the less seriously pandemic preparation gets funded.

https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by tehwebguy on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:30AM (#22716681)
You don’t prepare for pandemic because they’re likely, you prepare for them because they’re devastating.
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Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by thedance on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:33AM (#22716442)
The CAHSR could not have saved any money in 2010 because it wasn't funded until 2012.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by jiqiren on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:56PM (#22715983)
Only needed $5.8million/year in an overall budget of $129billion. It also resulted in an ultimate loss of an already spent $200million initial investment.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by triangleman on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:11PM (#22716041)
Not only that but per the article:

"In televised remarks Monday, Newsom said the state will lease beds in struggling hospitals around the state and is eyeing convention centers, motels and state university dormitories for use as hospital wards. One such lease, in Daly City, may cost the state as much as $3.2 million a month for 177 beds."

Making small investments for the future is what economics is all about.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by twblalock on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:59PM (#22716267)
> Making small investments for the future is what economics is all about.

This isn't economics. It's politics.

How could you sell something like pandemic preparedness in 2011? How could you present a long-term picture, knowing what was known in 2011, and argue that such a thing was a budget priority compared to jobs and social services?

I can't imagine that any politician in 2011 would have been taken seriously when talking about pandemic preparedness, given the context of the massive recession that we were still climbing out of.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by ipqk on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:23AM (#22716392)
Maybe by mentioning the swine flu pandemic that had just happened in 2009? Californians live in earthquake country – they understand preparing for cataclysmic event in the medium-to-far future.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by selimthegrim on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:20AM (#22716377)
This is Governor Moonbeam here. Remember what he was selling in the seventies? He could have run with it.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by masonic on Sunday March 29, 2020 @03:27AM (#22717078)
In contrast, CA budgets $98 million/year just for full MediCal plans for undocumented people age 0-26.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by joe_the_user on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:30PM (#22716140)
I remember those budget cuts. As far as I could tell, the state engaged in efforts to make the most damaging cuts possible in every department while leaving pet construction projects and similar things alone (cutting state parks really hard for example).

I think it's combination of wanting to demonstrate the seriousness of the problem combined with cutting projects that don't have constituancy.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by ip26 on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:04AM (#22716574)
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by selimthegrim on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:18AM (#22716370)
I was at UCSB at the time and I remember incensed undergrads camping out in the public spaces for weeks.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by scruple on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:30AM (#22716429)
Yep, you just jogged my memory. I was living and working in Goleta at the time and I definitely recall seeing those folks every time I went to campus and even IV of the course of a few weeks.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by ceejayoz on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:11PM (#22716044)
> How many people were thinking about pandemics then?

Hopefully quite a few, considering the H1N1 pandemic was just two years earlier.

The article mentions this was also for earthquake preparedness, which any California government should be thinking of.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by TheOperator on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:22PM (#22716096)
>I find it difficult to blame the governor of a state with a $26 billion budget deficit in 2011 for cutting this.

Guess we should just give up on any emergency preparedness if a recession makes cutting these programs blameless.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by xtracto on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:02AM (#22716285)
Your federal government should use 10% of their yearly defense budget (700 billion) for epidemic/health preparedness. In a way it is part of national defense ...
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by wbl on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:39PM (#22716174)
Prop 13 strikes again. Due to it CA has wild revenue shifts.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by WalterBright on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:11AM (#22716337)
The idea is to bank the surplus during the fat years. But no politician was ever re-elected for having a budget surplus.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by Gibbon1 on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:42AM (#22716718)
Reminds me. Prop 13 was passed in the 70's when Brown was governor. One of the things the proponents hammered on was Brown's budget was running a surplus.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by thedance on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:36AM (#22716456)
Jerry Brown passed the California "rainy day fund" in November 2014 on the same ballot on which he was re-elected. Literally re-elected on a budget surplus platform.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by tathougies on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:15AM (#22716624)
Too bad the surplus came from cutting the emergency preparedness programs that ought to have been funded by a surplus.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by WalterBright on Sunday March 29, 2020 @04:10AM (#22717240)
Having a budget surplus platform is not at all the same thing as having a budget surplus.
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Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by thedance on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:39AM (#22716471)
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by jfnixon on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:51AM (#22716756)
It is just a bad choice to cut emergency preparedness. This is California, how many mass transit boondoggles survived the 2011 budget cuts?
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by GeekyBear on Sunday March 29, 2020 @03:55AM (#22717190)
>I find it difficult to blame the governor of a state with a $26 billion budget deficit in 2011 for cutting this.

Getting rid of funding for pandemic preparedness in favor of funding a high speed rail system to nowhere does seem particularly short sighted in retrospect.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by TaylorAlexander on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:27AM (#22716671)
Serious question: is $26B a big deficit for California?
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by Gibbon1 on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:39AM (#22716711)
It's not the end of the world. California currently almost 40 million people. So $650 per capita.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by briandear on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:57PM (#22716256)
That’s what leadership is: being able to make hard choices and selling that to the voters. I haven’t met anyone opposed to disaster preparedness funding, but I have met plenty of people opposed to the bottomless pit spending for various causes du jour.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by twblalock on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:01AM (#22716281)
How do you convince people in 2011 that preparing for a pandemic is not a "cause du jour"?

Nobody would have bought that a month ago. In 2011 you would have been laughed out of the room.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by bsder on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:05AM (#22716304)
It was a sop to stupid California Republicans. The jungle primaries got rid of those starting in 2012.

California should have reestablished this later, though. Unfortunately, everybody forgets once the crisis is gone.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by tathougies on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:16AM (#22716629)
Ah right, the fact that a democrat governor got rid of pandemic preparations made by a Republican one is the fault of republicans
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by masonic on Sunday March 29, 2020 @03:23AM (#22717067)
And for both terms, he had same-party control of both houses of the legislature the entire time.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by bsder on Sunday March 29, 2020 @05:03PM (#22722698)
The budget required more than just simple majority control until California fixed that with a proposition.

If you wish to comment intelligently, you may need to research first.

Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by someguydave on Sunday March 29, 2020 @12:24AM (#22716395)
Are you trying to make the case for single party rule here?
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by dodobirdlord on Sunday March 29, 2020 @01:41AM (#22716716)
California objectively seems to operate much better since Prop 25 excluded the minority party from having a say on the budget. The behavior in a two-party system of a minority party that knows it's going to be a minority party indefinitely is frequently to sabotage everything possible in hopes of making the ruling party's life difficult, or to make them look incompetent. Stripping them of power doesn't turn legislating into dictatorial rule by fiat, it just moves it into the consensus-building processes of the majority party. Two-party rules with a sidelined minority party looks a lot like a coalition government in a multi-party system.
Re:California once had mobile hospitals, ventilator stockpil... by bsder on Sunday March 29, 2020 @05:02PM (#22722694)
The jungle primaries actually make even that case better.

You don't have the case where some nitwit edges out a reasonable candidate in the primary and then wins the general simply because they have (D) or (R) next to their name.

In California's case, if we send two Democrats to the general election, the Republicans get to weigh in on which they find more acceptable. It forces the candidates to the actual center.

It would work that way for two Republican candidates as well, but a whole host of Republicans simply quit after we un-gerrymandered the state.