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Re:Audacious 4.0 released, switches from GTK to Qt 5 by jjoonathan on Sunday March 22, 2020 @06:35PM (#22659404)
My boss looks at this page, he sees that open source programs can use Qt for free and that commercial programs need to pay. That's not the case, but the page is carefully worded to prevent him from confidently coming to the correct conclusion.

If this were the extent of the shenanigans, I wouldn't be mad. I like having a "help me sell this to my boss" page. But it isn't the extent of the shenanigans. They went around me to shake someone down on my behalf (as I perceive it). Last time it was my boss. Next time I choose a GUI framework for an open source side project, I'll primarily worry about it being my users.

Re:Audacious 4.0 released, switches from GTK to Qt 5 by cycloptic on Sunday March 22, 2020 @06:59PM (#22659563)
>he sees that open source programs can use Qt for free and that commercial programs need to pay.

Where does it say that? Can you mention what he is having trouble with? I just took a quick glance at that link in GP and it seems to spell out the obligations of the LGPL pretty clearly on the right side, which are somewhat specific and notably don't include a requirement for your program to be open source. That requirement is only for the GPL components, which is included in the small print on the left.

Re:Audacious 4.0 released, switches from GTK to Qt 5 by jjoonathan on Sunday March 22, 2020 @08:50PM (#22660281)
So, by your own admission, the critical piece of information my boss cares about must be inferred from the fact that it is absent from a sizeable pile of relatively technical details and from the fact that no detail (especially the GPL sub-component callout) implies it in turn.

Making this inference requires you to not only have outside knowledge of open source licenses and the Qt licensing situation, but to be rather confident in said outside knowledge. That's what he had trouble with.

Re:Audacious 4.0 released, switches from GTK to Qt 5 by cycloptic on Sunday March 22, 2020 @09:33PM (#22660463)
No, my point is that it doesn't have to be inferred, and that the relevant information does seem to be all there. IANAL and this is only based on my own understanding of those licenses, but it seems to do as good a job as a short marketing page probably could. It's not a place where they can reasonably address every common misconception about the LGPL that someone might have. Your boss can't be helped if he is going to assume the worst just from reading what amounts to a single powerpoint slide.

I think that detail about GPL could be easily missed because it's written in small print, but that's a different problem. There are a lot of Qt components so it doesn't make sense to list them all on that page. A full list that can be filtered by LGPL/GPL status is here: https://www.qt.io/features

I'm assuming by outside knowledge you mean the fine print of the license: how is any company supposed to prevent your boss from having to go over that with a lawyer? This isn't even an open source thing, it applies to anyone in the software business. And this is ignoring that the GPL is probably one of the better understood open source licenses at the moment.

Re:Audacious 4.0 released, switches from GTK to Qt 5 by jjoonathan on Tuesday March 24, 2020 @12:37PM (#22676073)
> the relevant information does seem to be all there

The key piece of information is absent.

> it seems to do as good a job as a short marketing page probably could

It could have done better in a single short sentence by stating the key piece of information, rather than leaving it to be inferred laboriously from a pile of details.

> It's not a place where they can reasonably address every common misconception

No, but it could have addressed the single largest misconception. It chose not to.

Re:Audacious 4.0 released, switches from GTK to Qt 5 by michaelmrose on Monday March 23, 2020 @02:12AM (#22661643)
Wouldn't it be logical to expect someone to consult a lawyer when making such a decision?
Re:Audacious 4.0 released, switches from GTK to Qt 5 by stormdennis on Wednesday March 25, 2020 @03:53PM (#22687909)
Are you being sarcastic?