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Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by scotty79 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:42PM (#22634088)
Good luck with suppressing the virus in the US while 5 billion people in the world get infected.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by yblu on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:51PM (#22634170)
So, no country should do anything? Many Asia countries have shown they can contain the virus. Every country should at least try to do that.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by scotty79 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:56PM (#22634216)
Yes. But you can't expect to eradicate the disease. As measures are lifted cases start growing exponentially again.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by dilyevsky on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:43PM (#22634606)
What i imagine will happen is you’ll have to blow in a tube at CDP checkpoint to get into the country for quite some time
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by gpm on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:08AM (#22634774)
That's all well and good for legal immigrants... assuming you can swab babies or something, and can test in minutes instead of days.

What about the hundreds of thousands or millions [0] of illegal border crossings every year at the mexican border though?

[0] Naturally good stats for this are impossible to find, but in FY19 851,508 individuals were apprehended at the american southwest border [1]. It seems reasonable to assume the same order of magnitude of people successfully crossed.

[1] https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by dilyevsky on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:50AM (#22635004)
There might not be any foreigners let in at all for a while. I was talking about citizens. Prepare for fundamental erosion of our rights - that one is almost guaranteed now. I won’t be surprised if they go to apple/google and telcos for location data to aggressively backtrack infected. It’s either that or millions of deaths. A perfect zugzwang
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by stordoff on Friday March 20, 2020 @02:55AM (#22635577)
The Tweet is now deleted, so probably just a rumour, but Sky News tweeted earlier:

> Sky News understands the [UK] Government has asked mobile network O2 to hand over anonymous mobile phone location data in order to ensure people are following social distancing guidelines during the COVID-19 outbreak

I suspect it's at least being discussed.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by gpm on Friday March 20, 2020 @09:37AM (#22637380)
My impression is that without (currently illegal) immigrants you won't have enough farm workers. How do you avoid a famine?

(I'm also skeptical that stopping illegal immigrants will be as simple as tracking phones, but whatever)

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by paulie_a on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:53AM (#22635029)
Japan is doing that with free Sims for people arriving
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by scotty79 on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:18AM (#22634834)
Oh. That's easy Trump will build a wall with CDC budget. ;-)
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by zzleeper on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:50PM (#22634162)
???

China is down to zero cases. South America except for the two black sheep (Mexico and Brazil) is shutting down (Peru had curfew-in-place since the weekend; anyone even driving their car outside is arrested). Europe is also going there, plus Israel, several Arab countries, etc.

Only big black sheeps right now are the US, parts of Europe, India, and Africa (which is only now getting their first wave).

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by petilon on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:20PM (#22634384)
India is handling this better than the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavi...

Excerpts:

The authorities used GPS technology, CCTV footage and mobile phone records to trace the movements of one Indian family believed to be among the first infected here. They returned from Italy in late February, and within days, medical teams fanned out to all the places they had visited including banks, restaurants and churches and quickly quarantined just about everyone they had come in contact with — nearly 1,000 people.

India was also one of the first nations to essentially shut its borders, canceling visas and denying entry to all but a select few foreigners. Some states, such as Kerala, are beginning to beef up internal borders, taking the temperature of passengers in cars and screening people on trains.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by robocat on Friday March 20, 2020 @01:05AM (#22635087)
I predict India will be hit very very hard.

Do you think their poor can eat if they self-isolate? If you are hungry then you keep working, you have few choices to avoid social contact, and you have few resources to help you if you are sick.

Do you think India has the capacity to test enough people to effect efficient blocks against transmission? Do you trust their bureaucracy to mostly act decisively and effectively for the majority?

Do they have the social mores to cooperate with rules to prevent transmission? (I’m not judging, I have some very conscientious Indian acquaintances, I’m just unsure about the population on average).

At least they will have some medicine - they produce a lot and they stopped exporting many drugs on the 4th March.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by scotty79 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:53PM (#22634188)
> China is down to zero cases.

Zero own cases, they still have imported cases. And that only means no cases that are symptomatic.

And zero cases just means zero cases now not in the future.

This thing spreads like a common cold. More infectious than a flu. You can't suppress common cold.

Not forever.

Humanity never eradicated a disease without a vaccine.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by MiroF on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:00PM (#22634254)
> Humanity never eradicated a disease without a vaccine.

SARS within the last 2 decades? Look, I think eradication is a pipe dream at this point, but it'd be worth mildly checking your facts before posting.

e: If I'm getting flagged, at least tell me why?

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by hourislate on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:28PM (#22634470)
I don't think SARS was eradicated? They were able to contain it and it died out naturally, disappeared. But that doesn't mean the same virus couldn't come back.

I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by scotty79 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:28PM (#22634473)
I'm not sure if SARS is considered eradicated. There were no human cases since 2004 but I don't think we dealt with it in original animal population.

I think we don't get human cases because jumping to humans again is quite hard for SARS.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by MiroF on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:33PM (#22634520)
So when people are talking about eradicating the coronavirus, they also mean in the animal population?

Seems to me that the virus that can spread among humans is a different version than the one common among the animal population.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by scotty79 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:53PM (#22634686)
> So when people are talking about eradicating the coronavirus, they also mean in the animal population?

I think so:

https://www.who.int/csr/don/2003_06_19/en/

> Seems to me that the virus that can spread among humans is a different version than the one common among the animal population.

Not necessarily. Ncov that spreads in humans came to be in bats and skipped effortlessly to other species including humans with no meaningful changes.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by stca on Friday March 20, 2020 @12:17AM (#22634830)
Corona is a SARS that jumped over, the scientific name is SARS-CoV-2
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by maigret on Friday March 20, 2020 @06:29AM (#22636470)
Effective medication would go a long way if it can make the illness less aggressive and less deadly.
Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by gpm on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:19PM (#22634376)
We can probably wipe it out in America by doing this, and Europe, and maybe China already has (though I have my doubts that there aren't still cases that they haven't detected).

What about places with wars going on... Syria? Yemen? Afghanistan? What about places with no functional government (which I will decline to list to avoid pointless arguments)?

It doesn't need to be a big black sheep to re-introduce this... it only takes one case.

Re:California governor issues statewide 'stay at home' order by scotty79 on Thursday March 19, 2020 @11:30PM (#22634491)
Also it can infect other mammals quite easily. It originated in bats. There might be other animal reservoirs as well.