> Gary vee talks like he does something amazing while what he does can really be done by a good cold caller. I don't see what he has done to earn the recognition he has.

Gary Vee's main resume star is that he has become successful and well known. He has become more of a celebrity than an oracle, and many of his side-companies have not done well. Still, his main points that the internet has changed the way of doing business and you need to utilize social media to be successful are sound.

He is a PR consultant, what would you expect him to sell? PR conultant's way of doing things: Spend the budget. If project was a win, claim own success. If the project was a failure, blame a business, never show results.

> PR conultant's way of doing things: Spend the budget. If project was a win, claim own success. If the project was a failure, blame a business, never show results.

Close but I don't think this is quite right ... "PR conultant's way of doing things: [Find and convince the client on your abilities.] Spend the budget. If project was a win, [convince your client that it was your] own success. If the project was a failure, [convince the client that it was their] business, [always] show results."

Thats missing the point of the poster. Its not about self destructive behaviour. You're not going to make it to month 48 by running yourself into the ground.

It just means results are not instant.

Maybe we should all be focused more on delivering actual value, instead of obsessing over what other people think on the internet..

That's one selective reading of the poster. But it doesn't say work hard for 48 months. It says "Eat shit for 48 months". What it's saying is that you can't have nice things unless you make yourself suffer.

I think the advice that the whole reason to be an entrepreneur is to become wealthy as opposed to having some sort of drive or care about your product or service is totally sound. i mean who doesn't want to be super rich? but i guess it's also stupid because if all you care about is being rich there are plenty of grinds you can do to get there. But i guess you have to be prestigious.

also caviar comes in a tube and people put it on crackers. i would prefer to eat other stuff.

Can't wait for more people to stop listening to Gary Vee. He's been pushing unhealthy BS for too long, and no amount of "do what works for you" caveating stops people thinking that's the only way to succeed.

Something of an irony that one of the best places to hear about anti-workaholism is on YC's forum.