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Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by bluGill on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @07:56AM (#22474035)
80% of the value of notes is the act of writing them down by hand. (I don't have a citation for it, but I tend to believe it). That is notes are primarily a tool to help you not fall asleep, start daydreaming, or whatever distraction keeps you from listening.

The fact that you cannot write everything down forces you to think about what you are hearing and find the important part to write down. Now that you have found the important part the writing helps you remember it.

When you are done with the above throw your notes in the recycling... Note that the above system works for me because I can't read my own writing anyway. (Probably a case of dysgraphia but I've never been formally diagnosed)

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by a-saleh on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @08:15AM (#22474167)
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/488e/c93cf68806bd8ac63fc7d0... ... interesting research that suggests that trying to type-out a transcript with a keyboard might be more effective.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by komali2 on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @08:54AM (#22474418)
The disadvantage here being notification pop-ups and email being a tab away.

Also whenever someone's on a laptop on a meeting I just assume they're not listening and looking at their emails, doesn't matter what they say before or during. Happens too often. Double if it's a googler lol.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by tim58 on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @09:15AM (#22474572)
It's 100% possible to take notes during a meeting without opening up another program.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by robohoe on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @09:26AM (#22474657)
Takes a whole lot of discipline. Definitely much easier if you care about the subject being discussed.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by chapium on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @10:05AM (#22474969)
Do not disturb buttons are great for this.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by a-saleh on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @11:23AM (#22475885)
Most of my meetings are throug video, so having half-screen the video-feed and other half some sort of note-pad is fairly useful :)
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by exikyut on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @10:05AM (#22474967)
Bizarre suggestion for a device that's kinda hard to find nowadays but which I've heard is awesome: the AlphaSmart Dana.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaSmart

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by ReC757 on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @04:20PM (#22478820)
WOW. I totally forgot this thing existed... I had the “3000” one in high school.

I remember it having a fantastic feel to it for being plastic. Other than that though, things like this were about having a system that you could write on without having to worry about battery life. Laptops were more expensive back then (oh man, I finally feel 31).

Currently to take notes in class, I use a 2008 MacBook Pro running Manjaro w/ i3wm. I try to copy the instructors talking points with shorthand.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by archarios on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @12:04PM (#22476344)
There is a modern version: https://getfreewrite.com/. It's way too expensive though.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by exikyut on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @06:56AM (#22482981)
Yeow, US$550-700, that is incredibly expensive. Thanks for the TIL though
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by throwanem on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @12:15PM (#22476474)
...for those with working memory deficits, yes.

If you need to be able to engage in the meeting, trying to transcribe it isn't much of an option, while taking paper notes remains so, and still provides as much or more benefit.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by meigwilym on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @10:06AM (#22474980)
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by a-saleh on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @11:27AM (#22475919)
Even more interesting is, that the research I shared claims 'just type-out a transcript and don't try to summarize/structure your notes' is better than 'by hand, and summarize' ... but both agree writing by hand forces you to have more structure and summaries in your notes :-)
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by Rochus on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @08:50AM (#22474385)
Interesting paper, thanks. Confirms what I have noticed in my work over the years.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by stronglikedan on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @09:52AM (#22474864)
I agree, but not just because of distractions. I have a hard time retaining what I've read for whatever reason, and always have. However, if I take notes while I'm reading, I tend to remember almost everything. So not only did I take notes in class to stave off distractions, but I also take notes on everything I read. When I'm done writing them, I can throw them away, because they're pretty much committed to memory at that point. Just another anecdote to contribute.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by K0SM0S on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @06:25PM (#22479729)
Anecdotal maybe but so common at the same time (we have stats on schools and universities, massive and now old data, and it's pretty clear writing notes helps). I think both the Bayesian and the frequentist agree, here.

And this is possibly a fantastic insight into how brain-memory actually works.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by Psyladine on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @08:46AM (#22474360)
Disagree with the conclusion that notes are to prevent distraction. For instance, if I am driving and have a particular response or thought to an audio lecture, my interest in notation is not to maintain attention but rather an intense short lived desire to pause that attention and make a reference for future consideration.

Or when reading through materials, jotting down specific insights or relevant particular passages & page notations. Research is about getting through an initial swath of material to elements of interest & use.

Subjected to an involuntary lecture on a subject not of immediate interest that will test recall or retention later, I can see their being benefit in recording what is being expressed - after all, that is literally the purpose of lecture - but the concept of notation is further reaching and of greater depth than a boredom remedy.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by celeritascelery on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @09:55AM (#22474881)
> For instance, if I am driving and have a particular response or thought to an audio lecture, my interest in notation is not to maintain attention but rather an intense short lived desire to pause that attention and make a reference for future consideration.

How do you do that while driving? I am looking for a solution.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by mcshicks on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @10:11AM (#22475016)
I use a dedicated olympus voice recorder. I have an activity that means I have a recurring need to make voice notes on my drive back from it. The voice recorder is great because it's easy to operate by touch as opposed to a touch screen. You hear a beep when it starts so you know it's recording. Recently I have been playing with this script someone wrote to transcribe them into org mode markup files using google speech to text services.

https://github.com/bgutter/voicenotes2org

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by runjake on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @10:03AM (#22474953)
I don’t have a great answer but I’ve been using Just Press Record on my iPhone and Apple Watch to record stuff while driving. The app transcribes your voice fairly well and I feed it into Bear Notes from there.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by omar12 on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @04:40PM (#22478962)
From my experience, I completely agree with your statement. Sometimes I recall information by remembering the way I wrote something. Like there is a relation with the mental memory and the physical memory of writing notes.

> The fact that you cannot write everything down forces you to think about what you are hearing and find the important part to write down. Now that you have found the important part the writing helps you remember it.

Definitely! You are processing and analyzing the information "on the fly", possibly writing a shorter blurb that captures the essence of the information.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by cma on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @10:44AM (#22475396)
Verbatim copying is shown to improve recall a lot too.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by charwalker on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @12:54PM (#22476918)
I had one college professor who lived by this. Except he applied this theory by making tests basically "Write everything I said on this topic with correct dates, names, topics, etc. You have an hour to reproduce the content I lectured on for 6 hours." I was graded 99/100 on one test because I said like the March 1922 instead of including the day.

That style can help or hurt. When the class is straight info then sure, I can see the advantage but would never take another class from the professor. When the class is designed for analysis and critical thinking about the topic it kills interest and if they had offered another slot or I wasn't set on graduating quickly and could delay I would have.

I end up summarizing things that don't connect immediately and allowing the connections to stand against reviewing the notes the next day. I can then triage if I took too many notes (remembered more connections and can scale back) or need to review certain topics or sections (dropped connections). I also preferred class structures where we could participate vs being told the info and tested on our ability to regurgitate it. It's good for 101 classes but does not build an educated mind, just knowledge.

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by Fire-Dragon-DoL on Thursday March 05, 2020 @01:27AM (#22491405)
Unfortunately it's not entirely true, in the sense that i managed to write notes and re read them and i couldn't even remember writing them... I guess it's a skill gained in high school

The other point is that if notes are valuable for future reference, i end up missing stuff during a discussion. Which is a problem

Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by Sinidir on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @12:49PM (#22476854)
This has been sooooooooo true for me in unversity.
Re:Ask HN: How to Take Good Notes? by waylandsmithers on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @02:42PM (#22478020)
This definitely helps me pay attention to other people's updates during daily standup