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Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by wincy on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:39PM (#22444539)
For the USA at least, wouldn't imposing a ban rather than a recommendation be a violation of the Constitutional right to freedom of assembly?
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by PopePompus on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:43PM (#22444586)
If the CDC merely urged that all large gatherings be cancelled, that would probably result in the cancellation of 95% of them, with no constitutional implications.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by macintux on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:55PM (#22444715)
Can they at this point? It seems like their authority has been emasculated.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by duxup on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:12PM (#22444903)
I'm pretty sure the CDC can "say" what they want.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by boring_twenties on Friday February 28, 2020 @11:45PM (#22448893)
You'd hope so, but then we have this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronaviru...

tl;dr- "directing them to coordinate all statements and public appearances with the office of Vice President Mike Pence"

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by Loughla on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:02PM (#22444781)
I don't understand what you mean by this.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by macintux on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:08PM (#22444847)
VP Pence has been given veto authority over all messaging, and the CDC’s funding in this area was gutted early in the administration.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by adventured on Friday February 28, 2020 @04:05PM (#22446355)
The CDC's funding was not gutted in that area, that's a false propaganda point being shoveled by several prominent Democrats. Trump attempted to push cuts through and failed, fortunately.

> AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness

> Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.

> He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by macintux on Friday February 28, 2020 @04:38PM (#22446649)
You’re correct that funding wasn’t impacted. I was wrong about that.

However he did indeed cut the people tasked to deal with pandemics.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump...

> But other White House efforts included reducing $15 billion in national health spending and cutting the global disease-fighting operational budgets of the CDC, NSC, DHS, and HHS. And the government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund was eliminated.

> In May 2018, Trump ordered the NSC’s entire global health security unit shut down, calling for reassignment of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer and dissolution of his team inside the agency. The month before, then-White House National Security Advisor John Bolton pressured Ziemer’s DHS counterpart, Tom Bossert, to resign along with his team. Neither the NSC nor DHS epidemic teams have been replaced. The global health section of the CDC was so drastically cut in 2018 that much of its staff was laid off and the number of countries it was working in was reduced from 49 to merely 10.

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by morelisp on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:07PM (#22444838)
"Emasculated" is a bizarre word to use, but I assume it's in reference to Trump putting Pence, rather than anyone at the CDC or HHS, in charge of official messaging around COVID-19.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by Loughla on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:15PM (#22444934)
Ah, I've been on a politics fast for a few days, so I missed that.

Without devolving into an inevitable political shouting match, what would the purpose of that move be?

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by erikerikson on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:22PM (#22445002)
Signaling that it's being taken seriously at the "highest levels" to support confidence?
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by evanelias on Friday February 28, 2020 @02:00PM (#22445320)
I wonder if it could also be an insurance strategy: if things go south, Pence takes all the blame and is booted from the 2020 ticket?
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by Loughla on Friday February 28, 2020 @02:20PM (#22445482)
Pence exists to lock down the evangelical vote, there's no way he'll become a fall man.

Although, that's traditional thinking, and this president is anything but traditional. So maybe you're right.

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by briandear on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:13PM (#22444915)
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by macintux on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:18PM (#22444963)
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by tzs on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:55PM (#22444711)
Restrictions on that right are subject to "strict scrutiny", which is the highest standard of judicial review.

To satisfy it, the government has to show that it has a compelling state interest and that their solution is narrowly tailored to serve that interest.

Curfews for public safety after natural disasters like fires and floods, or to prevent spread of disease, or in times of extreme civil unrest like riots have been found to meet the strict scrutiny standard.

Since a ban on large gatherings is less of an imposition on your freedom of assembly than a curfew, I'd expect that it would be allowed.

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by vikramkr on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:03PM (#22444798)
Legal eagle did a video on Youtube that came out yesterday that seemed to suggest that the government has leeway in cases of pandemics (sort of like in wartime) that it wouldn't have otherwise. It might technically be unconstitutional under some readings of it, but SCOTUS might rule that it's warranted.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by ceejayoz on Friday February 28, 2020 @04:47PM (#22446733)
Basically: "the Constitution is not a suicide pact" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suic...
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by cletus on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:46PM (#22444616)
It’s really unfortunate that the word “right” is used here because no “right” is absolute.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you can falsely yell “active shooter” in a crowded theater.

Freedom to bear arms doesn’t mean you’re allowed to own nuclear weapon or a surface to air missile battery.

Freedom of assembly doesn’t mean you can go where you want, when you want.

Other needs and limits can preempt these “rights” so they’re not really right at all.

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by ceejayoz on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:42PM (#22444572)
SCOTUS has repeatedly recognized quarantine as an exception.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by jtdev on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:42PM (#22444564)
Sure, a recommendation seems good too... anything rather than just burying our heads in the sand.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by amanaplanacanal on Saturday February 29, 2020 @11:23AM (#22451300)
I believe the current legal interpretation of freedom of assembly in the US is that it only applies if your assembly is ‘to petition the Government for a redress of grievances’.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by t-writescode on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:41PM (#22444560)
Not a lawyer, I think it would depend on the exact laws and rulings around martial law. Curfews are a thing, but I don’t know if they’re constitutional.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by arkades on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:14PM (#22444922)
There's an awful lot of case law to date that allows for public health departments to violate constitutional rights to address a public health emergency. The legal right to quarantine is pretty much predicated on "for the good of society, your constitutional rights are out the window."

I hope I don't sound critical of this. I'm not. I'm in favor of empowering public health departments, with accountability and oversight and judicial review, to do what is needed to prevent massive tragedy. I'm just putting it bluntly: our case law on this topic is reasonably well-settled, and one-sided, as pertains to epidemics. (Now, as pertains to vaccinating...)

Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by throwaway55554 on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:30PM (#22445068)
It can be regulated if it impinges upon my rights.
Re:How the 1918 Flu Spread Across America (2017) by close04 on Friday February 28, 2020 @12:42PM (#22444570)
Aren’t some authorizations still needed to organize larger events? I think that’s the ban, no more concerts, sold out football matches, etc.