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Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by dredmorbius on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @03:24PM (#22426920)
Interesting elements to me:

- The prevalence of drinking and dining establishments amongst oldest-national businesses.

- And banks / mints / financial institutions.

- The relative youth of oldest-national-businesses in Africa. Most notably Equatorial Guinea with Guinea Equatorial Airlines, the country's oldest business corporation, founded in 1996.

This suggests either a data artefact in which older going concerns are not formally reported (or those reports available), or an extreme level of institutional instability.

Possibly both.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by microtherion on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:42PM (#22427664)
I suspect the former; that standards applied in various countries differ.

E.g. the oldest "company" in Switzerland is Gasthof Sternen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasthof_Sternen), built around 1230, and affiliated with a monastery. Quite possibly the inn WAS in continuous operation, but I have doubts as to the continuity of the "company" behind it. It appears to have been started by the adjacent monastery, which ceased to be a going concern in 1841.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by Yessing on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:17PM (#22429415)
for example Café M’Rabet – Tunis was created in 1630 and it is still operational till now. But it was not registered as a company at the time.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday February 27, 2020 @08:24AM (#22432997)
I wondered about that - perhaps the map should be "Oldest business registered with a western institution" or some such. Meaning, being known to westerners makes them more real.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by squiggleblaz on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:58AM (#22431756)
But do you seriously reckon all those European businesses from the 800s were registered as a company?

This map is nothing but a racist pissing match created by enlightened Europeans who've worked out some novel way of considering them better than the civilisations they trashed. It's an embarrassment.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by marliechiller on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:53AM (#22431986)
is it that? or is it just a mildly interesting, if factually incorrect infographic? youve made a mental leap to racism there which is quite unfair
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by Certhas on Thursday February 27, 2020 @05:06AM (#22432035)
Not the person you are replying to, but: I don't think anyone set out to create an intentionally racist map. But the effect can still be racist. If it's based on data-sources and concepts that have a Europe and Europe descendent focus, and then presents them as facts about the world, without acknowledging the perspective, that is problematic. If further the tenuous continuity claims in some European countries, that are little more than advertisement, are put side to side with much stricter formal registration data from other countries this starts being quite deliberate.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by PappaPatat on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:17AM (#22432318)
Can you give some pointers as to what data / sources / criteria would make for a more fair representation?
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by ionwake on Thursday February 27, 2020 @08:45AM (#22433139)
lol
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by yorwba on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:39PM (#22427641)
> Guinea Equatorial Airlines, the country's oldest business corporation, founded in 1996.

The number looks more like 1962 to me (maybe they changed it).

The actual youngest seems to be South Sudan's Ivory Bank, which was only founded in 1994. This is easily explained by the country being relatively new.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by mumblemumble on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:28PM (#22428115)
Plenty of oldest companies in this map predate the countries they're currently in. The The oldest company in Mexico is apparently about 300 years older than Mexico, and the oldest company in Canada is about 200 years older than Canada.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by jobigoud on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:09PM (#22437260)
> The actual youngest seems to be South Sudan's Ivory Bank, which was only founded in 1994. This is easily explained by the country being relatively new.

South Sudan is only a country since 2011, they include establishments older than the country they operate in.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by dredmorbius on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:09PM (#22428488)
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by rdlw on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:34PM (#22428691)
On the world map, it's distinctly 1962.

1996 seems to be the correct date: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_Ecuatorial_Airlines

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by dredmorbius on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:37PM (#22429160)
Fair point.

Regardless, with other entries in the 1990s, that's amazingly recent.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by heedlessly3 on Thursday February 27, 2020 @09:49AM (#22433680)
I have a feeling that the authors of this map is biased an uninformed. I'm sure you gathered up the expert historians from each of these countries to identify the oldest business, then this map will look very different.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by adamsea on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @04:52PM (#22427760)
> an extreme level of institutional instability.

My first guess would be colonialism and its consequences.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by crooked-v on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:54PM (#22428359)
For a simple example, here's a map of Africa from just before World War I started: https://i.imgur.com/XZU6R0S.jpg

It would be pretty hard for, say, people in the Congo at the time to have started or continued lasting businesses when they were still getting over the whole "spend eighteen hours a day tapping rubber or they'll cut off the hands of everyone in your family, and even if you do they'll still kidnap your children and put them in schools where half will die of disease" thing that had been officially ended only six years before, and were still subject to wildly oppressive taxes and labor drafts that made getting out from under the weight of the Belgian overlords impossible.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by jandrese on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:06PM (#22427883)
Also, the pre-colonial population maybe didn't have a culture of setting up long running businesses? Sure there would be family businesses, but they're be informal affairs. Also, in some cases there was no system of writing so no reliable records for determining the age of a business.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by squiggleblaz on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:36AM (#22431918)
> Sure there would be family businesses, but they're be informal affairs.

But a lot of the other examples were informal business at some point, or activities conducted by governments with no formal independent existence till centuries later. It's just a double standard. Facts were not important to the creators of this graph.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by crooked-v on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:00PM (#22428411)
> the pre-colonial population maybe didn't have a culture of setting up long running businesses

This assumption of an entire continent as having a single culture is something that I find cringy at best.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by manfredo on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:37PM (#22428717)
I don't think the above commenter wrote that all of precolonial Africa had a single culture, only that precolonial cultures evidently did not have cultures with long standing businesses - at least as we understand businesses them today.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by vidarh on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:00AM (#22432519)
There's no evidence of this, in large part because the African empires for the most part were wiped out under colonial rule, not just subjugated.

Often with extreme prejudice, such as when the British destroyed and burned Benin City to the ground, destroyed large parts of its walls, which were once a single fortification threading through the city measuring four times the length of the Great Wall of China, looted it's art, which then for a long time was "explained away" because the bronze sculptures were a lot more advanced than Europeans liked to think Africans were capable of, ignoring the descriptions of Benin City from those who'd been there.

The result was that for a long time the idea of what pre-colonial Africa was like was based on ignoring the things the colonial powers had stolen (the Benin Bronzes were sometimes assumed to have been brought by Portuguese traders, for example; a more comfortable idea than Africans making bronze statues), and looking at the aftermath of colonial destruction as evidence of lack of large structures and cities.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by crooked-v on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:45PM (#22429206)
That's still attributing a single negative cultural trait to an entire continent, and using it to shallowly dismiss the effects of centuries of one-sided exploitation, enslavement, massacres, genocides, mass limb removal, debt slavery, literal slavery, etc etc. with "but what if it was their own fault?".
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by Mountain_Skies on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:58PM (#22430312)
Is not having long lasting business entities really a negative cultural trait? While it's neat that there are businesses that have survived for over a millennia, it's more of a curiosity than evidence of superiority of a culture.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by dextralt on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @08:13PM (#22429391)
you mean the same things we did to each other throughout our entire history and yet somehow our civilization had advanced past the stone age?

yeah, it is their own fault, lmao.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by f1refly on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:08AM (#22431791)
Don't act like Africans had great culture and civilisation before being colonized. Be used they didn't. Most of it is documented and can be observed in museums all over Europe, Africans where barely past the stone age.
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by jandrese on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:09PM (#22430043)
Are there any pre-colonial African nations you would like to name as a counter-example? One that had a tradition of setting up and documenting long running businesses?
Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by vidarh on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:38AM (#22432680)
The big problem with finding evidence either way with respect to this is that sheer amount of destruction by colonial powers.

E.g. after the third Anglo-Ashanti war, the conquering British noted how impressive the palace was, and called out the number of books in different languages, and then they promptly burned it... So vast amounts of information about the operation of the Ashanti just went up in smoke.

Similarly they burned the entire capital city of the Benin empire to the ground.

It was not just that these empires ended; they were in many cases close to being erased from history.

Re:The oldest company in almost every country (that is still... by YawningAngel on Thursday February 27, 2020 @11:42AM (#22434874)