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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by MisterTea on Monday February 24, 2020 @08:27AM (#22403778)
> Turning off location history in Google and Apple Maps

Google dark patterns make this a no-go. I have multiple locations stored on my Google maps. With location history turned off I was fine until a few months ago when maps told me in order to access that data I need to turn location history back on. So google cripples their software unless you turn on tracking.

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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by Iolaum on Monday February 24, 2020 @09:01AM (#22403982)
This. Google maps becomes quite hostile&annoying to use if you deny that data access.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by lallysingh on Monday February 24, 2020 @09:37AM (#22404263)
Maps, thankfully isn't as necessary as it used to be. OSM is getting better, and Maps hasn't. It's less usable and keeps trying to shove businesses in my face.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by SomeGuy789 on Monday February 24, 2020 @07:08PM (#22409737)
In one of the older versions of google maps having location turned off meant that the app wouldn't accept any input since a notification 'Turn on your location' kept repeatedly coming up somehow blocking everything. Effectively rendered the app unusable.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by chewz on Monday February 24, 2020 @12:25PM (#22406082)
Use alternative maps -

https://en.mapy.cz/, https://maps.me/ - Google Maps is useless anyway.

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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by FalconSensei on Monday February 24, 2020 @01:24PM (#22406751)
> Google Maps is useless anyway

Care to elaborate on that? It seems very useful, considering the amount of people that use it on a daily basis

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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by throwaway55554 on Monday February 24, 2020 @03:15PM (#22407972)
Here (HereWeGo) maps as well. I use it when I need an offline map.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by lm28469 on Monday February 24, 2020 @09:01AM (#22403984)
I see it as part of the exchange. You give them your data they give you nice products. If you decide to use it without giving, you get a lower quality product.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by eitland on Monday February 24, 2020 @09:17AM (#22404105)
AFAIK according to GDPR this (to hold non related features hostage) is specifically not allowed.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by lm28469 on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:07AM (#22405264)
"don't store my data" but also "store the data I want you to store for the features I cherry picked" probably doesn't work under gdpr.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by rorykoehler on Monday February 24, 2020 @12:37PM (#22406208)
Of course it does. Gdpr is about explicit consent. Don't track my movements 24/7 but let me save places on the map is not a hard thing to comply with.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by simonh on Monday February 24, 2020 @11:24AM (#22405430)
Who says they are unrelated? Providing access to your location data and history can enable a lot of very useful features that aren't possible without it.
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Re:Smartphone startups take on Google, Apple and put privacy... by eitland on Monday February 24, 2020 @12:11PM (#22405945)
Yep. And that would be OK with GDPR again AFAIK.

But in this case it seems clearly wrong.

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