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Re:Rotary Cellphone by timonoko on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:22AM (#22308561)
European Union recommended emergency number is "112". Because you can morse it with the hook or even by short-circuitin the wires. This is also why the pulse-dialing receiver is operational in most EU countries.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by parliament32 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:24PM (#22312424)
Anecdote: A user at work was assigned extension 112. Works fine on the Cisco handsets we mainly use, but when users were trying to dial it directly from their VoIP apps on their cell phones, they often got dumped out to the phone emergency menu (depending on which VoIP app they're using).

We're in NA so it was a huge mystery as to why this was happening just with their extension, took a while before we realized what was going on.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by TrickyRick on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:52AM (#22309217)
For someone not familiar with morse or pulse dialing, how does one do that?
Re:Rotary Cellphone by rsync on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:28AM (#22309542)
You click the handset down, like you are hanging up the phone, but just very briefly.

So think of the cradle switches - what "hangs up" the phone - as a button, and you just click that button (quickly) for '1' and then you pause and hit it twice in very rapid succession for '2' ...

You need to be on a POTS line to do this, of course, but it will work even today. Even if you have no dialing mechanism, you can dial the phone this way ...

Re:Rotary Cellphone by tkmunzwa on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @12:18PM (#22310621)
> You click the handset down, like you are hanging up the phone, but just very briefly.

This brings back memories, this is a trick people my age group mastered as teenagers in a 3rd world country. All calls were billed - including local ones, so parents would commonly get lockable cages that would cover the buttons/rotary dial to prevent unauthorised calls in their absence. The cages would leave the receiver accessible even when locked in order to be able to receive calls, so we would use the hook to do pulse tone dialing; dialing a number with many zeroes was always a challenge since it required 10 rapid taps as part of a longer sequence, but I built up muscle memory.

The practice was colloquially named 'tap-dialing' and it was handed down from generation to generation. Sadly it came to an end in the smartphone world.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by dublin on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @02:19PM (#22311808)
The old GTE payphones up in Georgetown, Tx (suburb of Austin, now) when I was a kid would let you dial with the switchhook - no coins required. Agreed, zeroes were a pain, but this was partially compensated for by the fact that 5-digit dialing worked for any local number, e.g. 3-1234 got you 863-1234. Interestingly, most VoIP adapters support the pulse dialing of an old phone, but very few have the cojones to actually ring one that has a physical bell rather than an electronic ringer...
Re:Rotary Cellphone by pomatic on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:49PM (#22313172)
Er, I'm not sure where you got this information from, but I can tell you categorically that ATAs that support pulse dialing are few and far between. Source: I have a vintage phone collection and wish bitterly the reality were different. (I use a Avaya PBX as a bridge to asterisk/IP telephony as a practical alternative)
Re:Rotary Cellphone by Someone on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:53PM (#22313208)
That’s because the traditional physical bell needs a high voltage (relative to the digital circuits in modern hardware).

https://www.epanorama.net/circuits/telephone_ringer.html:

”The voltage at the subscribers end depends upon loop length and number of ringers attached to the line; it could be between 40 and 150 Volts.”

I think they also (relatively to the hardware in a VoIP adapter) need a large amount of power.

So, to ring that bell, you need to transform your 5V/3V/…, and you need a larger power circuit. That isn’t worth it for the few who still have an old-style telephone.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by kragen on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:03PM (#22314997)
I think you need the high voltage anyway, even for a fake bell. The power is probably the problem.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by defnotarobot on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @07:52PM (#22314388)
I've seen some grandstreams that'll run a ringer.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by therealidiot on Thursday February 13, 2020 @01:50AM (#22315839)
Second this, I've had no trouble ringing an old GPO 746 telephone (and very loudly) with a Grandstream HT802
Re:Rotary Cellphone by C1sc0cat on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @12:26PM (#22310706)
It was also an old school way of phreaking and getting free calls in a phone box.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by kragen on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:00PM (#22314987)
I was very surprised a couple of weeks ago, making a call on a fixed-wireless 4G modem with a phone jack on it, that it supported pulse dialing. (The handset plugged into it happened to be set for pulse, you see.)
Re:Rotary Cellphone by maxerickson on Sunday February 16, 2020 @08:10AM (#22341391)
I wonder if something like that would get implemented to address a historical regulatory requirement.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by TrickyRick on Thursday February 13, 2020 @03:45AM (#22316261)
Ah, thanks! I grew up using a rotary dial phone but of course was too young to think that much about how it actually works. Learned something new today!
Re:Rotary Cellphone by ObscureScience on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:42AM (#22309695)
It's been awhile since I tried it, but isn't it n+1 presses to dial n? So you can dial 0 with one click.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by AKrumbach on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:52AM (#22309797)
No; if you look at an old rotary phone, you're counting the number of finger holes in order to determine pulses.

To dial a 0, pulse the line 10 times.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by pomatic on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:50PM (#22313183)
Unless you are in New Zealand - the dial is numbered "backwards" there so 0 is 1 pulse etc.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by toby on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @05:51PM (#22313676)
Oh wow, thank you for the memories :) I grew up in New Zealand when everything was pulse dialing and had an American modem that my father got us, so in order to dial any phone number I had to rewrite it by subtracting every digit from 10.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by ObscureScience on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @06:42PM (#22314001)
It seems I remembered correctly. I'm from Sweden and we use the system I recalled. All of you correcting me are right with regards to most other countries.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by __void on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:51AM (#22309792)
"0" was coded with 10 pulses
Re:Rotary Cellphone by wiml on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:52AM (#22309799)
No, 0 is ten pulses.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by ObscureScience on Thursday February 13, 2020 @05:29AM (#22316652)
As I said, not in Sweden.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by i_am_proteus on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:47AM (#22310349)
Tangent: many old Western Electric touch tone phones have a switch between "pulse" and "dial" for backwards compatibility.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by bityard on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:13PM (#22312314)
Many digital cordless phones in the 2000's would still allow you to select between pulse and tone dialing. Pulse was fun to use just for kicks, except it added several seconds to the start of your call and most phones were not smart enough to switch the keypad back to tone dialing once the call was established (e.g. to operate an IVR).
Re:Rotary Cellphone by DonHopkins on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:25AM (#22308583)
Thank you! Knowing that story is a great mnemonic to remember it, even if you have a push button phone!
Re:Rotary Cellphone by troymc on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:03AM (#22308861)
I grew up in North America (where 911 is the emergency number), so when I moved to Germany and wanted to remember 112, I noticed that it spells out:

1 + 1 = 2

Re:Rotary Cellphone by XaspR8d on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:29AM (#22309054)
That would foil me if it was my only memory device. A+B=C is true of ~55 (napkin math) different 3-digit numbers. Plus another 40-ish for A×B=C and 50-ish for A-B=C...
Re:Rotary Cellphone by iNate2000 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:44PM (#22312618)
But it’s A+A=B
Re:Rotary Cellphone by LadyCailin on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:02PM (#22312777)
The good news is, there’s not that many of those. 112, 224, 336, 448, 550 (its a stretch), and you’re likely to start at the beginning, therefore getting it on the first try.

Actually, I’ve heard that on cell phones in EU, you can still dial 911, and it’ll connect. I have had occasions to call 112 before, but it’s always been in big enough emergencies that I didn’t have time to experiment. I’m eagerly awaiting the day when I come across an emergency that’s urgent enough to call 112, but not urgent enough that it can’t wait a little bit for me to try something. It’s a delicate balance

Re:Rotary Cellphone by eigenvector on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:29PM (#22312999)
In another recent HN thread, someone posted that due to the way emergency dialing is implemented in the cellular stack, dialing "911" will dial the local emergency number because "911", "112", etc. aren't treated as actual phone numbers, they just trigger the cellular network to bypass normal dialing sequence and connect you to the local emergency system.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by RandomGuyDTB on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:03PM (#22312783)
(assuming it's A + A = B, there are still 4 sequences that could be if every number is an integer between 0 and 9, but if they remembered one of the numbers was a 1 it would drop the possibilities down to only 1 + 1 = 2)
Re:Rotary Cellphone by ranit on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @02:35PM (#22311980)
Thanks for the information. I didn't know. A nitpick: this is not "morse" [code].
Re:Rotary Cellphone by timonoko on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @04:03PM (#22312787)
Yes it is. Spells "EEI". Cry for help or "expression of disapproval” in Chinese.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by DonHopkins on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @06:31PM (#22313924)
Note: You should NEVER say that you hate the phone company on an open land line. And please, be nice to the operator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jEiTxg21q8

Re:Rotary Cellphone by kees99 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:28AM (#22308603)
Why not 111? That would have been even easier to manually-pulse dial.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by Angostura on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:43AM (#22308723)
In the good old days, they looked at 111 at an emergency number but it was rejected because it was too easy for the digit 1 to be tapped out by in high winds by wires rubbing together.

That's why the UK went with 999 as something memorable, but slow to dial.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by flyinghamster on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:04AM (#22308870)
An odd side effect of that was that in New Zealand, where phone dials are arranged 9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-0 instead of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0, the emergency number was indeed 111, with nine pulses for the 1 digit. British-made exchange equipment was extensively used there, so no modification was needed to make 111 the emergency number.

The reverse dial was a result of the design of early Rotary exchanges built in Antwerp around 1921. Similar Rotary exchanges were installed in Oslo as well in 1914, and Oslo also used the reverse dial (but nowhere else in Norway).

Re:Rotary Cellphone by rbanffy on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:49AM (#22308762)
AFAIK they changed it to 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3.

Sorry. Someone had to.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by peterleiser on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:52AM (#22309215)
Try calling that number on your Android phone. It still "works" on my Essential phone with stock Android 10.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by JdeBP on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @02:53PM (#22312151)
In the U.K., if the emergency number is a prefix, the call is routed to the emergency services.

* http://jdebp.uk./FGA/truths-about-telephone-numbers.html#Eme...

Re:Rotary Cellphone by Bad_CRC on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:16AM (#22310036)
just take my upvote
Re:Rotary Cellphone by timthorn on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:33AM (#22308638)
Or for a line between telegraph poles to tap it out in the wind.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by geocar on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:36AM (#22308666)
That's NHS non-emergency issues in the UK, and I presume that would have been a factor.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by manderso on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:38AM (#22309112)
The NHS 111 number dates from 2009.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by DonHopkins on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @08:41AM (#22308711)
Because cats.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by drfuchs on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @05:48PM (#22313653)
Because in the US, an initial “1” unambiguously means “this is the start of a long-distance number; a 3-digit area code follows”.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by hyakosm on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:17AM (#22310051)
If I remember, some old payphones locked the rotary dial after 1 and 2.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by Aardwolf on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:10AM (#22309374)
There are so many of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emergency_telephone_nu...

In Europe many of them are variations of 1XX, but since there are so many and sometimes they change too, it's not trivial to remember which one.

The American 911 is more memorable, even in Europe, simply due to it appearing in popular culture so often, I hope that if someone dials that one in Europe it'll also get forwarded to a real emergency line.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by endless1234 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:06AM (#22309933)
>In Europe many of them are variations of 1XX, but since there are so many and sometimes they change too, it's just ridiculous to remember them.

Eh? 112 works in the whole EU. As your link says. Of course old legacy numbers also work in many countries.

Re:Rotary Cellphone by TheRealPomax on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:09AM (#22309970)
It's almost as if Europe is not a country.

Just like the US, every country in has its own emergency numbers that you should probably know if you're in that country, but for Europe as a whole, 112 is the universal emergency number.

And while 911 might be known to many outside the US, as a number that requires actually navigating the dialing pad, it's not all that great. The UK's 999 or Europe's 112 are far better at being something you can dial while under duress (with 999, as a repeated number, being by far the superior choice here).

Re:Rotary Cellphone by spookthesunset on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:34AM (#22310234)
It is a trade off though. I’m sure “911” is no accident either. Because it is slightly harder to dial, it probably has far less accidental dialings than some other countries emergency numbers.

I bet little kids would constantly pick up a phone and dial “999999999”.... harder to mistakenly / playfully dial “911”

Re:Rotary Cellphone by grawprog on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:59AM (#22310465)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/here-s-wh...

>Up until 1968, the United States was still using hundreds of seven-digit emergency telephone numbers across the country. In fact, some states, like Nebraska, had more than 180 different ambulance service numbers alone.

>The code 911 was chosen because it best fit the needs of all parties involved,” according to the National Emergency Number Association (NENA). “First, and most important, it met public requirements because it is brief, easily remembered, and can be dialed quickly. Second, because it is a unique number, never having been authorized as an office code, area code or service code, it best met the long range numbering plans and switching configurations of the telephone industry.”

Re:Rotary Cellphone by C1sc0cat on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:37AM (#22310257)
911 is faster to dial, but 999 is easier to find in darkness /smoke
Re:Rotary Cellphone by WorldMaker on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @03:16PM (#22312342)
Not on a rotary phone: spinning to the first position is easier to find than the 9 (especially if trying to not go too far and hit the 0). On a traditional rotary 9-1-1 was one hard to dial number followed by the two easiest.
Re:Rotary Cellphone by icebraining on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:33AM (#22310220)
112 is the GSM standard, and works in countries all over the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/112_(emergency_telephone_numbe...
Re:Rotary Cellphone by 0_____0 on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @12:12PM (#22310577)
It forwards to 911 in the states? Good to know.