Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously complained about autopilot

Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by mrtksn on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @01:23AM (#22306377)

According to social media, YouTubers, Redditors Tesla's drive themselves and are not simply automobiles with electric propulsion but computers on wheels, they have all the necessary hardware built-in and the software gets a miracle updates over the air, it is called autopilot, there're people sleeping on the highway while their Tesla drives them home, machine learning and AI is about to automate everything and you are short-seller devil of the petrol industry if you question anything.

How fair is to say that the driver should have had their hands on the wheel at all time and checked and acquired a pilot license or at least studied what is autopilot?

Does Tesla's have driver attention detectors and warning systems? Is the car beeping or something like that when you don't hold the wheel?

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by _ph_ on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @01:31AM (#22306420)

Yes, the car is making noises when you don't hold the wheels and after 3 warnings, the Autopilot system is disabled until the car is restarted. The Autopilot is very explicitly not suitable for unobserved operation.

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by mrtksn on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @01:36AM (#22306445)

How do people sleep or play on their phones then? Are the warnings not frequent and prominent enough? Are people hacking it and disabling it? What's the deal here?

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by keanzu on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @02:56AM (#22306815)

With a Tesla you hang a banana off the steering wheel. The weight tricks the system into thinking it is a hand.

With GM's Super Cruise you can go completely hands free, that's the intended use, but it has eye tracking to make sure you are constantly watching the road.

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by _ph_ on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @02:17AM (#22306636)

The car detects your hand on the steering wheel. So technically speaking, as long as you keep one hand on the wheel, you can use your phone with the other hand :p. There are also devices avialable for purchase, which convince the car that there is a hand on the wheel.

What I forgot to mention in the previous post: the autopilot does not only complain about hands off the wheel, but if you ignore the complaints long enough, it does stop the car. So people can't drive for long with their hands completely off the steering wheel, until they use some kind of defeating device.

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by Diederich on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:23AM (#22309493)

You just need to bump the wheel every 15 seconds or so. The required interval seems to vary a certain amount, but in boring, easy, bumper to bumper traffic, where it makes the most sense, that's all that's required, in my experience at least.

> it does stop the car

More specifically: in my tests, it eventually disengages autopilot as well as adaptive cruise control (which only controls the break and acceleration) while beeping loudly and harshly. This has the affect of slowly causing the car to decelerate.

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by Lammy on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @09:22AM (#22308996)

> So people can't drive for long with their hands completely off the steering wheel, until they use some kind of defeating device.

Is that what happened in this case then? Serious question; never driven a Tesla. https://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2018/11/30/los-altos-pla...

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by _ph_ on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @10:26AM (#22309517)

As the driver was still unresponsive until woken by the police, I would think it was the autopilot eventually stopping the car.

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by Lammy on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @11:18AM (#22310064)

They stopped the car by driving in front of it to trigger the braking sensor.

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Re:Apple engineer killed in Tesla crash had previously compl... by _ph_ on Wednesday February 12, 2020 @12:51PM (#22310928)

That would work too :)

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