Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75

Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by neltnerb on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:46AM (#22267808)

I spent an hour yesterday with two different websites trying to place an order on Firefox (to name and shame, CVS and shutterfly). I eventually gave up and used Chrome to place an order, but sent a note telling CVS that they lost my business because their website is broken on Firefox.

Please, more people switch to Firefox. Chrome is breaking the internet.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by _bxg1 on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:50AM (#22267874)

Something I realized recently is that all of these sites have analytics. They can see exactly what percentage of their users are on Firefox, and that will directly drive their dev priorities. Using Firefox isn't just a symbolic gesture; it's a direct vote in its favor.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by dexen on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:02PM (#22268040)

>all of these sites have analytics.

The analytics is most likely blocked by common adblock rules. And present-day Firefox users are quite likely to be advanced users, running adblock.

Thus Firefox ends up being under-represented in the analytics.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by ohazi on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:07PM (#22268123)

Do as blockers typically block the user agent? Or have people just gotten lazy and only bother looking at JavaScript generated analytics logs and not actual server logs?

Or have user agents devolved to the point where every browser lists every other browser and you genuinely can't tell them apart anymore?

Seems like you should still be able to identify the browser without a fancy analytics package.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by PeterisP on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:47PM (#22268595)

> have people just gotten lazy and only bother looking at JavaScript generated analytics logs and not actual server logs?

Yes.

On the other hand, if you're running adblock, many sites probably don't care how and if the site works for you.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by marcosdumay on Friday February 07, 2020 @01:19PM (#22268982)

Sites that are directly taking your money should care. Or, at least, I would expect them to, but they don't seem to care at all.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by dblohm7 on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:45PM (#22268576)

> Or have people just gotten lazy and only bother looking at JavaScript generated analytics logs and not actual server logs?

Yes

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by matthewbauer on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:02PM (#22268044)

Recently there has been a push to remove user agents since it tends to make tracking easier. You should make sure firefox is still identifiable.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by thdrdt on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:04PM (#22268069)

Well because a lot of Firefox users block analytics they won't show up in the stats.

And by the way: it is estimated that 60% of all internet users block analytics. So take your stats with a grain of salt.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by hastes on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:06PM (#22268100)

> it is estimated that 60% of all internet users block analytics. So take your stats with a grain of salt.

Source?

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by krn on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:57AM (#22267979)

> Please, more people switch to Firefox. Chrome is breaking the internet.

I have tried to switch to Firefox multiple times, but I couldn't stand how much slower it felt than Brave, especially on Android. I also prefer the minimalistic interface of Chromium, and run Brave with its "Rewards" feature turned off.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by neltnerb on Friday February 07, 2020 @01:47PM (#22269256)

Oh, I meant on my desktop. I use Firefox Focus or Firefox Preview on my phone and if Focus doesn't work I've yet to personally find Firefox Preview to be slow.

YMMV of course. Firefox has a long way to go it seems on mobile.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by digitarald on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:26PM (#22268369)

Please report those via webcompat.com – Firefox's compat team will always follow up and learn more how to close the platform gap that causes the issues but also reach out to the devs.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by ycombonator on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:58AM (#22267989)

CVS is an outsourced shop, stripped to the bone. All their IT jobs have left Rhode Island over the years to be replaced by “managed services”. It’s highly unlikely they will read your feedback.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by jlmorton on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:55AM (#22267950)

Possible you have strict tracking protection enabled? Firefox is pretty clear this may break some websites.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by neltnerb on Friday February 07, 2020 @01:44PM (#22269204)

Nah, I don't set it to strict, and turned off the new Enhanced Tracking Prevention that's on by default. And all extensions were either disabled or set to permit everything on both sites. But I didn't reset my browser or start it in safe mode just to give a company my business.

It is totally possible that the "problem is on my side" but they still lost my business. There's only so much effort I'm willing to put into purchasing from a company if I can't use their website. Most places work fine, both of these didn't. I normally just find a company that has a better website to give my money to instead.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by driverdan on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:54PM (#22268691)

Are you sure something isn't wrong on your end? The only time I have trouble is when NoScript breaks things and that's to be expected.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by neltnerb on Friday February 07, 2020 @01:39PM (#22269159)

No, not sure, but I disabled adblock, cookie deletion, noscript, cross-website cookie trackers, etc. Pretty much disabled every extension in my efforts with no luck.

It's possible it would have eventually worked if I started the browser in safe mode or something, but this doesn't seem reasonable to me to do to be able to give them money.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by Scarbutt on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:49AM (#22267860)

Is likely they know this and the costs of supporting firefox doesn't outweigh the benefits for them.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by diag on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:03PM (#22268052)

What's the benefit of breaking services for a subset of your customers? I can't think of any.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by snazz on Friday February 07, 2020 @12:29PM (#22268391)

They’re not intentionally breaking anything, they’re just making it work exclusively with Chromium by not testing under Firefox. It saves them time and money.

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Re:Chrome 80 Is 30% Slower Than Chrome 75 by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday February 07, 2020 @11:54AM (#22267925)

I will switch to Firefox as soon as I am convinced it is a better option. It has been my experience that it is slower and more broken than Chrome, and despite promises of respecting users has a history violating user trust. Plus, there was that one time they fired a guy for having a fetish.

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