you'll die within a month if modern society collapses. Just focus on making a difference on current society instead of becoming a fatalist.

There's "modern society collapse" and there's "a 5 day blackout in a city", most people are not even prepared for #2, it doesn't hurt to plan for that.

Why are you calling him a fatalist? He plans to survive. You are in reality the fatalist, for saying he'll die within a month.

If society collapses that badly, I'll probably move to my brother-in-law's farm. Farms are generally the best place to be when society collapses.

Most farms depends on big tractors - if society collapse they will have a lot of food rotting in the field unless humans get out there and deal with it by hand. You won't like your lifestyle, but if you can get to a remote farm (remote is key - you need to get away from labor competition) you can do okay.

Some will. Some of us already live relatively independent lives. Not a lot, to be sure. And it can hardly be done in a city.

Agree, some will. But none of HN crowd. We'll all die, me, you, him.

Well, not me. That's my point. I live in a well-stocked rural setting with independent food, water, energy.

walls? moat? traps? guns and a lot of ammo? because you answer "no" to any of that, your well-stocked rural setting going to be visited by the hoards fleeing from city and depleted in a week, leaving you to die of starvation in next 3. So that month I was talking about, still going to happen

Well, not to reveal too much, but we're not going to be giving anything away to the 'hoards'.

What skills specifically would you recommend?