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Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by Angostura on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:36AM (#22234825)
I contained my snarfing until:

"The ordinals 17, 42 and 6.12 are reserved to reduce confusion.

The ordinals 18 and 19 are reserved for the strings "Reserved" and "Unassigned" respectively.

Unfortunately the ordinal 20 was used by two earlier, competing proposals, and so can mean either "Color" or Colour". Implementations are encouraged to disambiguate based upon context."

At which point I audibly snarfed.

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by oh-4-fucks-sake on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:08PM (#22238051)
Your snarfing was the impetus for my snarf. Ergo, not all snarfing originates from user Angostura, but all of user Angostura's snarfing has historically beget my snarfs.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by ilkkao on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:47AM (#22235433)
"This all worked really well until approximately 1600BCE, at which time the fleeing Atlanteans brought mass quantities of lightly tanned eel leather into Egypt, causing the collapse of straight razor sharpening market."

I really admire people who can write a story like this off the top of their head.

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by dana321 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:35AM (#22235929)
Its very easy after watching the ancient aliens season 1 pilot episode, believe me!
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by nateburke on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:53AM (#22235493)
Children love to listen to people with this skill.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by nannal on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:43AM (#22236807)
I love to listen to people with this skill.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by frandroid on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @11:34AM (#22237548)
therefore...
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by mzzter on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:18PM (#22238186)
Children are I
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by dagav on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @01:05PM (#22238792)
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by dmead on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:49AM (#22236099)
we switched to trading pineapples and moose between canada and hawaii.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by jacquesm on Wednesday February 05, 2020 @11:47AM (#22248532)
The default exchange rate of 1:1 moose:pineapples seems to have been a bit unfair on the Canadians. In other news, herd of moose are overrunning Hawaii.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by bmmayer1 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:49AM (#22236096)
"Unlike most IETF efforts, this document is not embarrassed to clearly state that we are simply shuffling more stuff in while we have the editor open."

Classic.

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by tyingq on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:01AM (#22235016)
I thought that was already fairly well known via things like "IP over Avian Carriers".
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by mhandley on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:09AM (#22235080)
But that's an RFC, so it carries (very slightly) more weight than an Internet Draft. In the real world, what matters is whether it's implemented: https://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/writeup/
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by oefrha on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:46AM (#22236060)
> In the real world, what matters is whether it's implemented

Yes, RFC 2324[1] is also serious business because it’s implemented in the real world. Or at least I have implemented HTTP 418 I’m a teapot. (I’ve also seen gross violations where some APIs use HTTP 418 as their custom error code instead of complying with the RFC.)

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324#section-2.3.2

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by pc86 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:41AM (#22236781)
> I've also seen gross violations where some APIs use HTTP 418 as their custom error code instead of complying with the RFC.

I know a lot of people disagree with the IETF's policy of imprisoning those who fail to comply with the RFC, but personally I don't think they go far enough.

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by numpad0 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:11AM (#22235669)
Also those joke RFCs are too thorough to the point they all work and that could strengthen impression that RFCs are “official”
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by gmueckl on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:26AM (#22236583)
I always glance at the date of an RFC after reading its title... the joke RFCs are too damn good and I certainly don't know all of them.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by saber6 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:31AM (#22235876)
RFC v draft is really not truely accurate IMO. There are plenty of examples of drafts in production that haven’t made it to RFC status yet. :)
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by 45ure on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:03AM (#22235576)
It has been implemented, there is a fair bit of evidence on /r/birdsarentreal. The Birds Work for the Bourgeoisie.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by giancarlostoro on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:28AM (#22235256)
Is there some video of this being implemented? I would love to see it.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by paulddraper on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @01:23PM (#22239044)
To be fair, that's also true of RFCs as. (E.g., IP over carrier pigeon). But that doesn't really matter.

Take HTTP for example. The is no ISO standard, just a smattering of overlapping RFCs over the years with weird spellings (Referer) and ambiguities (GET request entity).

And the entire web is based on HTTP.

The quality of the "specification" documents is not high, nor very official, but it's the best we have, so people treat it as if it were.

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by skrebbel on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @02:40PM (#22240042)
I'd like to also share the legendary RFC 2795 for those not yet in the know: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2795
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by iudqnolq on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:48PM (#22238597)
> From -02 to -03

> o This Change note was added. Nothing else changed.

This comment contains no commentary.

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by ucarion on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:56PM (#22238690)
In addition to the point made in the article, even some RFCs do not indicate "what the IETF thinks". And I'm not just talking about April 1st RFCs.

The IETF has the "Independent Submission Editor" stream of RFCs, which produces RFCs without getting IETF consensus. These RFCs are considered to be work "outside" of the IETF, but can still be published as an RFC.

A recent example is https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8674 from Mark Nottingham:

   The mechanism described in this document does not have IETF consensus
   and is not a standard.  It is a widely deployed approach that has
   turned out to be useful and is presented here so that server and
   browser implementations can have a common understanding of how it
   operates.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by cryptica on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:12AM (#22235109)
RFCs are just a way for big corporations to collaborate on shared standards. It doesn't mean that other approaches can't become standards as well. It's kind of disturbing that RFCs seem to give projects automatic trustworthiness that they didn't actually earn.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by dsr_ on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @08:46AM (#22235423)
At least more than one interested party thought about it, and documented the result. It might not be good, but it's worth evaluating to see if it's good enough.

Tldr: if you must send datagrams via pigeons, consider the rfc, then use an exfat microsd card.

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by sourcesmith on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @07:31AM (#22234788)
But it's expired...
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by marcosdumay on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @12:02PM (#22237967)
That's the sole reason you shouldn't use it as reference.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by ferzul on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @01:28PM (#22239113)
On the contrary; it permits it. Since its purpose was to prevant misattribution of internet-drafts to the ietf, we can surely now claim with certainty that the ietf teaches fake news about the demise of ancient egypt.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by RegW on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @09:33AM (#22235905)
> Each one of there tokens ...

What are "there tokens"? Aw come on. How do you expect me to take any of this seriously with grammatical mistakes like this?

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by wkumari on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @05:57PM (#22242033)
Thank you for your review and comment. This oversight has been fixed, and new version posted: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-wkumari-not-a-draft-08.txt

I'm planning on putting this on GitHub soon, so that issues can be filed, and, more importantly, pull requests submitted. Important work....

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by ferzul on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @01:30PM (#22239145)
Yes, as i read it, my thought was “at least it's a draft; i wonder if an updated version with proper spelling and grammar was ever released.

(considering the document is a snarky comment about form, i think the usual proscription against snarky comments about form can be relaxed)

Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by gjm11 on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:26AM (#22236576)
If HN guidelines are considered to allow it, I suggest tweaking the title here to say "Internet Draft" rather than just "ID", which is unambiguous in the original context (i.e., a thing that actually is an Internet Draft) but not as an HN title.
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by shhsshs on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @10:55AM (#22236990)
Agreed, the title mislead me to think the article would be about unique identifiers (IDs) instead of internet drafts (IDs).
Re:Just because it's an Internet Draft doesn't mean anything... by dang on Tuesday February 04, 2020 @02:35PM (#22239973)
Changed now. Thanks!