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Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by RandomTisk on Saturday January 25, 2020 @01:20PM (#22147677)
Is this just further marketing malpractice or will there actually be 5 or 3nm features?
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by SethTro on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:11PM (#22147994)
> Today, the node names are little more than marketing terms. 'The node designation is becoming more misleading and meaningless," said Samuel Wang, an analyst at Gartner. "For example, at 5nm or 3nm, there is no single geometry that is actually 5nm or 3nm."
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by trianglem on Saturday January 25, 2020 @06:22PM (#22149272)
Why is this not considered misleading and regulated?
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by AnimalMuppet on Saturday January 25, 2020 @07:12PM (#22149509)
This is considered misleading. But why would it be regulated? Nobody buys a chip based on the advertised feature size. They buy on power use, MIPS, number of cores, and cost.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by hartator on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:31PM (#22149027)
So what is 5nm or 3nm?
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by wmf on Saturday January 25, 2020 @07:34PM (#22149595)
The process marketed as 5nm has roughly twice the density as the process marketed as 7nm and so on up and down the line; that's how they justify it.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by AlexCoventry on Saturday January 25, 2020 @09:43PM (#22150055)
How can they double the density without decreasing the feature size?
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by wmf on Sunday January 26, 2020 @12:38AM (#22150572)
The feature side usually does decrease every generation; it's just that the feature size for, say, a "7nm" process is not exactly 7nm.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by ggm on Sunday January 26, 2020 @02:16AM (#22150916)
The power of recursive reasoning. Induction tells us that Intel's 10nm process probably wasn't 10nm features...
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by tandr on Sunday January 26, 2020 @12:13AM (#22150503)
I am wildly speculating here, but maybe going 3rd dimension?
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by aarongolliver on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:54PM (#22149145)
It has about the same meaning as the 5 or 3 in "core i5" or "core i3". It's all marketing.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by wolf550e on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:12PM (#22147998)
It's still a marketing term that has nothing to do with specific feature sizes, but they do increase density from one node to another.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/5_nm_lithography_process

Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by dwaltrip on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:31PM (#22148119)
How are the numbers chosen if they don't correspond to any actual measurement?
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by ip26 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:20PM (#22148407)
Well, the old law was that density doubled with each node. Indeed, you can see that e.g. from TSMC7 to TSMC5, density roughly doubled, regardless what happened with minimum feature size.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by wolf550e on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:40PM (#22148173)
Like the numbers in product names, only with the understanding that smaller is better.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by blp on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:43PM (#22148507)
It is an equivalent scale. Density is fine pitchm2 pitchtrack height. You scal node by an equivalent reduction.

It would be better to use logic density, but it is easier to use numbers we are used to.

Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by Rexxar on Saturday January 25, 2020 @07:44PM (#22149636)
They divide by sqrt(2) and round to an integer.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by wmf on Saturday January 25, 2020 @07:36PM (#22149606)
The numbers are a factor of the square root of 2 since that reduces area by 2.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by gameswithgo on Saturday January 25, 2020 @05:09PM (#22148930)
it speaks to this IN the article. Why is this low effort post at the top?
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by numpad0 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @09:24PM (#22149979)
Because it’s mentally easier to vote and move on than read TFA and discover items to rage on
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by szatkus on Sunday January 26, 2020 @06:43AM (#22151617)
TSMC started using names like N7, N5 etc. recently.
Re:5/3nm Wars Begin by stygiansonic on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:41PM (#22148501)
nm is the new GHz/MHz.