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Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by Scoundreller on Friday January 24, 2020 @10:57PM (#22144558)
As someone not very familiar with either: Why is TikTok succeeding while Vine failed?

And why did Vine shutdown? How do you fail at user-generated content that you can sell ads and more on?

I ask because I still run blogs that are < 5% of the size they used to be, but still make me $50/month with zero effort in static mode. So why would I stop?

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by ehsankia on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:32AM (#22144915)
I know byte just released, but as someone who has used TikTok for a few months now, the difference is honestly night and day.

- byte sticks to the very strict 7s limit while TikTok is a bit loser

- TikTok's use of music and re-used sounds help bring popular "trends"

- As per the above, you can quickly browse other tiktok's made from the same sound / in the given trend

- TikTok has other interesting features too such as duos, letting you reply to someone else's video, side-by-side

- TikTok's are very easy to share, and most importantly have a Web UI

- TikTok doesn't require an account, as soon as you open the app, you're dropped right into a feed of interesting videos, easy to scroll

These platforms are all about content, and TikTok having penetrated the US means it'll be very hard for byte to get users, and without users there's no content.

I personally don't think Vine really failed per-se. Twitter just didn't think it was a place worth investing, so they stagnated. TikTok as mentioned above has brought many new interesting evolutions to the format.

Most importantly, their learning based feed is pretty top notch and learns your taste very quickly.

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by tangue on Saturday January 25, 2020 @01:14AM (#22145041)
+1 and generally TikTok UX is underrated. In a way it feels like Facebook of the old days.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by busymom0 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:38AM (#22145264)
Mind expanding on how "it feels like Facebook of the old days"? I don't have TikTok but from what I have seen, their UI is just a swipe one?
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by tangue on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:04AM (#22145474)
If you're young it means connecting with people you care (or are interested in) without a confuse UI or scammy ads. I meant the keyword here is friction
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by holler on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:59AM (#22145308)
Wait a sec, as you already mentioned, Byte just released! Cut them some slack. TikTok wasn't full-featured when it launched like most other apps. Seems pretty good so far.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by sippeangelo on Saturday January 25, 2020 @06:04AM (#22145797)
If Byte is really marketed as a TikTok replacement and not just "Vine again", they're missing the entire point of TikTok.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by ehsankia on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:03PM (#22147938)
We on HN can cut them some slack, but unfortunately that's not how users think in the wild, and that was my point.

Such social media apps are extremely hard to overtake due to the critical mass effect, and that's the reason why Facebook still stands after all this time. Even sites that are strictly better than Facebook often fail due to not having enough users, let alone those that are worse. Unless there's a very strong incentive for users to use byte over TikTok, there's no way it will survive.

The official launch is the one time a bunch of people may give you the benefit of the doubt and try your app, and if you fall so short on the first impression, most people will probably never give it another try. And again, without users, there's no content, and without content, there's no users.

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by bdcravens on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:43PM (#22148190)
> Unless there's a very strong incentive for users to use byte over TikTok, there's no way it will survive.

TikTok's penchant for censoring content may be the opportunity Byte needs.

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by ehsankia on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:50PM (#22148837)
I did think about the China angle, but unfortunately I doubt the majority of people care or even know about that, just like we've experienced with Facebook for the past two years.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by holler on Saturday January 25, 2020 @06:49PM (#22149399)
I guess my take is that we need people to _try_, otherwise yes FB/IG, TikTok, Twitter etc will be our social overlords into perpetuity...
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by aty268 on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:00PM (#22144567)
From what I understand, Snapchat killed it. They sold to Twitter pretty early for like $30M and Twitter just didn't move quick enough.

Also, a lot of the popular viners wanted to be paid in some way, and they didn't really have a clear way for that to happen, so the creators pulled out and it died.

TikTok just did it better. Creators can easily get paid, videos are not forced to be 6 second max, and they executed better.

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by arzel on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:12PM (#22144620)
Fun fact that I’ll shorten: (vine creators) all met at 1600 Vine in Los Angeles with Twitter execs. Creators asked Twitter for money because _we_ we’re getting offers by competitors to become exclusive to their platform, Twitter denied paying up, and all creators moved to other platforms. It only took a few months for the user base to die out.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by aty268 on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:14PM (#22144629)
Huh that is a fun fact. Crazy how one bad decision can just destroy your company.
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Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by aty268 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:02AM (#22144818)
It is a bad decision, I don't see your point.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by dimgl on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:27AM (#22144899)
It isn't just one bad decision. It's many decisions. Those decisions don't just come out of "thin air" and destroy the company. They're always a series of decisions which eventually topple over the company. Vine not paying their content creators wasn't just the one time; they were likely consciously not paying their content creators over a long period of time.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by aty268 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @01:24AM (#22145073)
That is a good point, and I agree.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by koonsolo on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:16AM (#22145208)
My son of 10 and almost all of his classmates use tiktok.

The real killer is the dances on the music. They don't have to invent a new topic every time. They just see a music video they like, and imitate it. Together with all the effects it's very easy to create a crazy video with basically nothing.

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by bredren on Saturday January 25, 2020 @10:51AM (#22146725)
I have been tracking tiktok for about 11 months now. If you watched it over this time, it is really quite amazing what has blown through the platform.

One example of an early "dance" was the Boss Walk. This one is almost completely gone now but it was essentially an inside joke to people who followed the content of the platform.

Another thing special to TT is that it was successful at sucking content in from other platforms, including Instagram, and then having that be remixed via the audio under unclear licensing terms. A good example of this is the "oh shit it's a rat" meme.

Once the meme makes it into the blood of the userbase, it doesn't even need the audio and it can take on a life of its own leaving behind most content origination though the audio stays.

The most impactful example was definitely Old Town Road, and the jump / costume changes. This song was huge on the platform and already waning before it made it onto billboard and exploaded mainstream

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by james_niro on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:52PM (#22147485)
I believe TikTok is great for younger generation. It lets them be silly without any filters and photoshop.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by unlinked_dll on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:30PM (#22147359)
To be fair there have been videos like that on basically every video platform since the dawn of the internet
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by bdcravens on Saturday January 25, 2020 @02:45PM (#22148207)
TikTok does a very good job of removing friction in creating and publishing that content however.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by koonsolo on Saturday January 25, 2020 @03:37PM (#22148484)
If you copy a video like that on YouTube, you are called all kinds of names.

On tiktok, if 3 of your friends make the same video, the cool thing is to also do the same one.

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by sagran on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:05AM (#22144825)
Insta released video support; overnight 90% of video creation disappeared and growth stalled out as people went back to the platform Vine was borrowing them from. (Facebook’s earlier shenanigans of cutting off graph access didn’t help.) Further attempts to restart growth didn’t pan out. It didn’t help that most people consumed Vine via YouTube (and not the web or app). Other platforms were willing to pay creators much earlier (and had bigger budgets I expect)... but it was probably already too late.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by Alex3917 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:02AM (#22144814)
> Why is TikTok succeeding while Vine failed?

https://rickyyean.com/2020/01/20/from-socialcam-to-tiktok-ho...

Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by kangaroozach on Saturday January 25, 2020 @04:19AM (#22145523)
Nice post. Ricky da man too!
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by m3kw9 on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:42PM (#22147425)
Tiktok had good content, more than vine, good suggestions using AI which vine probably has but was really crappy, they had great marketing where they probably paid people to do some really crazy viral stuff, they had good timing, they had China. A lot of you are asking why tiktok is better, it’s probably 10-15 things they needed to hit out of the park to get here.
Re:Vine founder launches TikTok competitor by james_niro on Saturday January 25, 2020 @12:50PM (#22147481)
I believe the 6 seconds wasn’t enough for people to be creative. TikTok started with 15 second and one minute plus they implemented soundtrack system and great machine learning algo