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Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by iwwr on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:32PM (#2214200)
Intel, AMD and Nvidia are also notorious for these kinds of practices.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by nhebb on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:22PM (#2214423)
So are software companies. I offer two versions of my software and will be adding a 3rd soon. The program is the same, but the availability of some features is based on the license. In light of that, I'd be a hypocrite if I complained about these practices with hardware vendors when it's done all the time in software, including my own.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by patio11 on Sunday February 13, 2011 @07:48PM (#2214712)
Yep. Difference between free and registered versions of my software: one single if statement.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by nhebb on Monday February 14, 2011 @12:34PM (#2217658)
Marginal cost of an if statement: $0. Knowing where to place it: $29.95
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by tomjen3 on Monday February 14, 2011 @06:12AM (#2216332)
There are lots of differences between hardware and software, so I don't think it is hypocritical to complain about the hardware manufactures doing this.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by johnkary on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:33PM (#2214209)
Reminds me of the days of using graphite pencils to unlock CPUs :)
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by erickhill on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:54PM (#2214294)
Or a paper clip to open an old Mac's CD tray. "Who has a paper clip? Anyone?" So, the lack of a CD open/close button made it more "luxurious".
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by meastham on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:37PM (#2214226)
Why do these types of market partitioning practices anger people so much? Isn't it a good thing that these companies are offering different price points for people to choose from?
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by marshray on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:08PM (#2214360)
Why do these types of market partitioning practices anger people so much?

Because it makes them feel ripped off.

Enthusiasts were likely having positive feelings about their purchase of Sennheiser products and now they feel like an idiot. Psychology is a big part of the audio business.

Isn't it a good thing that these companies are offering different price points for people to choose from?

That Sennheiser is taking headphones and expending extra cost to muffle them in order to sell them at a lower price indicates that they do not consider themselves to be in an efficient economic market. Likely they are selling the muffled headphones in order to artificially inflate the price of the normal ones.

It also raises the question of in what other ways Sennheiser might be intentionally degrading the quality of its products.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by cabalamat on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:21PM (#2214416)
> Psychology is a big part of the audio business.

It's a big part of most businesses; you want the customer to have positive emotions regarding your company/product.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by mryall on Sunday February 13, 2011 @07:58PM (#2214741)
A similar thing happens with TVs in electrical appliance stores. Brighter pictures are more appealing to the average viewer, so the stores bump up the brightness setting on the more expensive TVs.

They can pull tricks like this because most people don't care that much about whether their chosen product is better according to some objective measurement. Rather, they care about getting a good deal and being made to feel happy about their purchase.

Unfortunately for Sennheiser, high-end audio customers are probably one group who do care about buying something objectively better. News like this risks hurting their target market substantially, I'd say.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by krig on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:46PM (#2214266)
Perhaps it's that people who bought the more expensive model thought they were buying higher quality components, but now realise they paid to have a piece of foam not be put where a piece of foam should not be? That consumers in general are happy to pay premium for premium features, but not for nothing?

I mean, to me this practice is practically fraudulent when it comes to consumer goods. Yes, it makes business sense to offer product at different price points. You could argue that the higher priced model pays for the R&D that went into developing the headphones. That doesn't change the fact that these are the exact same headphones with a $150 price difference.

Comparing to the software case where you pay more to have features put in that may be disabled in the cheaper version, there is a big difference there. When you buy the more expensive version you know what was taken out, and getting that is what you are paying for. Would anyone buy the more expensive headphones if the box said "unnecessary foam not added"?

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by thefool on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:42PM (#2214250)
Because it feels like your being cheated when you are sold something that the person that is selling it to you broke on purpose.

It doesn't really matter if the practice actually lets more people use a product, it just feels dirty.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by dman on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:51PM (#2214281)
On the flip side - whenever I see stuff which is so easily modded to its full version I usually imagine an engineer inside a large corporation grinning because he knows some kid somewhere will figure this out and get an early christmas present. Case in point - the amd 6950 radeons that can be flashed to radeon 6970's, earlier nvidia cards that could be softmodded to quadros etc . I mean the product differentiation could be actually a lot more involved and sometimes it just feels like the product was designed to be unlocked by the hackers and tinkerers.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by thematt on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:59PM (#2214319)
I see a lot of Web 2.0 applications these days that have their own pieces of foam. It's really all the same code on the backend and theoretically it wouldn't cost them anymore to enable all features completely. They purposely disable features or put their own pieces of "digital" foam in between plans in order to provide different price points for users.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by extension on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:33PM (#2214466)
The difference is that people generally expect to own the utilitarian physical goods that they pay for. Since information can't be owned in the same sense, it's understood that buying it is going to take the form of some sort of licensing arrangement with more arbitrary conditions.

In reality, the economics of the utilitarian physical goods business may sometimes resemble more those of the information business, but it's up to manufacturers to justify that to their customers.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by dougabug on Sunday February 13, 2011 @10:26PM (#2215107)
Most of us would like to believe that the companies from which we purchase products have our best interests at heart when we buy their products. Apple, for instance, has benefited enormously from this brand perception. We'd like to believe that they built the best product at that price point which they could afford to, given their commitment to supporting excellent R&D, QA, etc. Intentionally crippling a product, particularly a physical product, means that resources were expended to produce an intentionally suboptimal product. What if auto manufacturers could intentionally reduce the fuel efficiency of their vehicles, say by manipulating the ignition control software, in order to differentiate their vehicles? Or produce were intentionally held in storage for a few extra days, at additional expense, in order to create a lower price category? What if life saving drugs where partially denatured by heating them to artificially reduce their effectiveness to provide lower price points for people who couldn't afford the premium medication? It feels wrong, perhaps because it is wrong. Companies should at least be up front about it, rather than concealing the practice, and acting huffy when they are called on it.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by ringm on Sunday February 13, 2011 @07:02PM (#2214578)
It is not only about feeling personally cheated, it is about observing such a glaring inefficiency of the economy. Sennheiser expended a lot of effort to create a perfectly good product, and then our economy stimulates them to waste a part of this effort by crippling the product just to create... a kind of pay-what-you can scheme.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by paulsmith on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:43PM (#2214253)
Did you read the post? The $200 headphones are /exactly the same/ as the $350 ones, except for a piece of easily-removable foam they crammed in the opening to reduce the sound quality.

That's not "market partioning" -- that's utter hostility toward your customers.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by meastham on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:53PM (#2214288)
I did. I just don't see how this is any different than intentionally removing features from software in order to sell it at lower prices.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by jbri on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:00PM (#2214321)
In the general human mindset, there's a huge difference between "they're adding extra for those who pay more" and "they're taking stuff away from those who pay less".

If the feature differentiation is achieved by taking the premium offering and adding a component to remove functionality, then that feels a lot worse than taking the mid-range offering and adding components to result in the premium one.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by kenjackson on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:59PM (#2214320)
I agree. This seems like a reasonable thing to do if you want to have multiple price points for your product.

Would people feel a lot better if instead they just went and changed the circuitry to produce lower quality sound?

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by marshray on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:12PM (#2214374)
Would people feel a lot better if instead they just went and changed the circuitry to produce lower quality sound?

Yes, as long as there was a halfway plausible explanation that it cost less to produce.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by jmaygarden on Sunday February 13, 2011 @09:25PM (#2214977)
In this case it does cost less to produce since they don't have to develop a new product and setup separate manufacturing processes. That piece of foam saves a lot of money.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by colanderman on Sunday February 13, 2011 @10:54PM (#2215183)
My guess is the headphones cost $20 to produce. The $350 price tag covers R&D.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by cabalamat on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:25PM (#2214443)
Software doesn't have a per-unit manufacturing cost, and everyone knows that, so it does feel bad if a firm offers different versions of the software based on price.

Hardware does have a per-unit manufacturing cost, and people expect a more expensive product to cost more to make.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by sharmajai on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:12PM (#2214379)
But those features cost them time and money to put them in place originally. A piece of foam didn't.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by kscaldef on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:12PM (#2214375)
Actually, the article notes that there are aesthetic differences as well. Are those worth $150? No, probably not, but they aren't identical items.

(Also, FWIW, the "$350" headphones are currently $145 on Amazon and the "$200" ones are $85.)

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by jrockway on Sunday February 13, 2011 @09:28PM (#2214984)
Makes you wonder what Amazon pays Sennheiser for them. Amazon is not known for their super-low prices, after all.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by antihero on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:10PM (#2214365)
It's just a great example of how capitalism leads to do things that are utterly perverse.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by joelhaasnoot on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:40PM (#2214239)
The anger comes from essentially paying for air, or just adding profit for the company. If two parts are almost essentially the same, why am I paying more just for a different label?

Chip manufacturers actually do sell you a different product when you buy the high performance product, and it's related to chip yields.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by defen on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:54PM (#2214292)
> The anger comes from essentially paying for air, or just adding profit for the company. If two parts are almost essentially the same, why am I paying more just for a different label?

I think this question is rooted in a flawed "cost-based" perception of product pricing, which is intuitive and seemingly "fair", but not how the world works. In reality businesses should charge based on the value (perceived or actual) their product brings to their customers.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by prodigal_erik on Sunday February 13, 2011 @07:55PM (#2214727)
Consumer surplus through cost-based pricing is the very goal of having a free market. We route resources to the most efficient producers because they're capable of offering lower prices. If Sennheiser can come out ahead by doing useless things to reduce the value of their products (that don't even reduce costs!) without fear of being undercut, that represents a market failure.

This is really disappointing. My excellent HD-280s are finally cracking after years of heavy use, and now I have to reconsider doing business with them for a replacement.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by defen on Sunday February 13, 2011 @10:47PM (#2215156)
A perfectly efficient market is nice in theory but I don't think it exists outside of commodities like "sorghum and gypsum" (I think those are tptacek's words). Consumers are usually not going to be perfectly informed so there's always room for marketing to increase the perceived value of a product.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by tomjen3 on Monday February 14, 2011 @06:18AM (#2216344)
And that is why marketeers are the scum of the earth.

And why your company cannot afford to not have them.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by dfox on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:47PM (#2214270)
In this case it might be exactly same as with chips, with headphones failing some QC test being labeled as cheaper and getting additional piece of foam to partially fix whatever badness was discovered in such test (like unintended resonance caused by manufacturing tolerances).
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by varjag on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:55PM (#2214297)
It most certainly isn't the same. It doesn't work like that with defective speakers.
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by dfox on Sunday February 13, 2011 @06:31PM (#2214460)
In my opinion, the high-res photos in the original forum thread clearly shows some difference in build quality between both models. Compare for example how cleaner is hot gluing job on the driver on the 595 and that there is glob of something (hot glue?) on the external grill catch (lowest on first picture) on the 555 where there does not apear to be anything like that on the 595.

Extruding things from plastics (and especially ABS which this appears to be made from) is surprisingly inexact process and one would assume that manufacturing headphones selling for hundreds of dollars requires quite tight tolerances. My assumption is that the foam is there to damp rattling of case that is made from not exactly matched parts (and this is consistent with few posts in the forum which describe sound quality getting worse after removing the foam).

And I don't see why speakers/headphones/whatever can't be differentiated on quality, while having same overall design.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by varjag on Tuesday February 15, 2011 @04:07AM (#2220639)
There is no way to sort out speaker driver rejects into 1st, 2nd and whatever category. If a sample has quality issue, it is likely to deteriorate further in use rapidly.

Lower quality speakers are not rejects of high quality speakers, they are just cheaper designs.

As to the mold, the holes there require no tolerances, they are there just to avoid air cushion behind the driver and serve no other purpose. Similarly, a foam pad is a rough hack to reduce its effectiveness, driving the speaker's response down. Do you really feel like this foam cut is some precision fix to tolerances problem?

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by artsrc on Sunday February 13, 2011 @07:04PM (#2214583)
If it is such a good thing, they should clearly describe what they are doing to potential customers.

People who are not given all relevant information before they buy are product can legitimately feel upset.

Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by carpo on Sunday February 13, 2011 @07:53PM (#2214722)
"Now without foam!!!"
Re:HD 555 to HD 595 mod (or: how Sennheiser cripples cheaper... by sharmajai on Sunday February 13, 2011 @05:57PM (#2214306)
Because that's inNOvaTion.