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Re:A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head an... by derefr on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @01:39AM (#22104759)
All of these problems are solved by transcending flesh and blood. Why wouldn't a brain-emulation want to live forever, with just as much zest for life and learning after a billion years as today; and what's stopping us from eventually hosting a googolplex such ems (= plenty of room for raising kids) on "only" the computational substrate of a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain?
Re:A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head an... by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @02:07AM (#22104881)
If I show you a machine that people step into and are then brought out the other side on a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain then I suppose you would take that offer, however there is a leap between the two states that cannot be conclusively proven. How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in.
Re:A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head an... by xvector on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @02:16AM (#22104922)
> How do we know that the consciousness is in the matrioshka is the person who went in.

If we could solve this today we would already be well on the way immortality! But there are some theories, the most prominent of which is a Moravec Transfer[1]:

> A neuron-sized robot swims up to a neuron and scans it into memory. A computer starts simulating the neuron. The robot waits until the neuron perfectly matches its simulation inside the computer, and then replaces the neuron with itself as smoothly as possible, sending inputs to the computer and transmitting outputs from the simulation of a neuron inside the computer.

> This entire procedure has had no effect on the flow of information in the brain, except that one neuron's worth of processing is now being done inside a computer instead of a neuron. Repeat, neuron by neuron, until the entire brain is composed of robot neurons whose guts are inside the computer.

[1]: https://everything2.com/title/Moravec+Transfer

Re:A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head an... by bryanrasmussen on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @03:30AM (#22105224)
Ok, but in the black mirror episode I think we should have each neuron's worth of processing done in the Cloud owned by Google. Then they shut it down.
Re:A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head an... by xvector on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @04:07AM (#22105368)
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Re:A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head an... by derefr on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @10:32AM (#22107771)
Certainly, there might be ways of achieving this; but in terms of talking about the continuation of our species as a whole, does it matter if people today can do it? Us flesh-and-blood humans can live out our limited flesh-and-blood lifespan, while raising children who are born as brain-emulations. Nobody has to cross over for “humanity” to eventually attain immortality. It just might not be immortality for us living now.
Re:A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head an... by adrianN on Tuesday January 21, 2020 @02:14AM (#22104913)
The trick is to do in gradually, ship of Theseus style.